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by S2Mumford@aol.com » Tue Oct 02, 2001 6:14 pm
Re-read my post Mark.
You have taken two statistics (the turning in of 160,000 handguns by
the British public and an increase in the crime rate) and combined
then to prove your point. That is like saying since there are fewer
handguns on the street today, people drive faster. The two items may
be factual, but one doesn't necessarily follow the other. I believe
the same year, the UK saw a horrendous increase in crime accross the
board. I don't think purse snatching went up because people turned in
their guns.
Either one of us can take any statistics we want to prove our
respective points, but having lived in the UK, in a relatively
handgun-free society, and in Southern California, where you have a
number of shootings daily and every scumbag over the age of 14 has
a .22 in his pocket, I think the UK has it right on that score.
I previously stated that an American society without guns is an
unrealistic goal, but to my knowledge, handguns have never been as
prolific in the UK as they are in the USA . I believe that
proportionately, there are a lot fewer murders by handguns in the UK.
CA Stu --- In DSN_klr650@y..., wrote:
> Sadly, the Canadians, the Aussies, and the Brits have each seen
their nation's violent crime rates go up (not down) since effectively
banning private ownership of handguns. In the ideal scenario,
everyone turns in their guns and no one commits violent crimes. In
the real scenario, the law-abiding citizens turn in their guns, the
criminals (oh yes, the ones who we already knew do not follow the
law) do not turn in their weapons, and then the criminals are treated
to a guaranteed defenseless victim-rich zone. The rise in the crime
rates, especially in the violent crime rates (the still-armed
criminals have no fear of would-be victims being able to effectively
defend themselves against an armed attack) follows naturally.
>
> -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA
>
> ----Original Message-----
> >From: S2Mumford@a...
> >To: DSN_klr650@y...
> >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR stoppies (in the
criminal sense)
> >Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 15:38
> >
> >That is patently ridiculous.
> >How many 13 year olds bite or kick someone to death?
> >I know all the gun enthusiasts on the list will love this, but I
> >would rather there were no handguns in private ownership.
> >I am enough of a realist to understand that in the USA, this will
> >never happen, I mean you can't put the toothpaste back in the
tube,
> >there are far too many handguns out there already in the USA. But
> >I'll bet not many of the UK listers worry about their kids getting
> >shot on the way to school...
> >
> >And Fred, quit it with the name calling, OK? Just because you
don't
> >agree with a country's laws, does that really make them "idiots"
or
> >does it make you an "Ugly American" for saying that?
> >
> >My whole family lives in the UK except myself, my wife and kids,
and
> >my Mom.
> >
> >
> >CA Stu >
> >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Chris Rivers" wrote:
> >> My, oh my. You bring up a very good point! Feet and teeth
should
> >be
> >> illegal as well! Far to dangerous!
> >>
> >> Later.
> >> Renn
> >> A15 (Rocinante)
> >>
> >> I've even heard the Brit's are talking about knife control,
> >> > I think once these statist idiots realize there's no way to
> >enforce a
> >> blunt
> >> > object ban or a rock registration scenario they'll eventually
end
> >up
> >> > suspending you all from bungee cords to preclude kicking and
> >biting each
> >> > other.
> >> > Fred J
> >> >
> >> >
> >
I've even heard the Brit's are talking about knife control,
I think once these statist idiots realize there's no way to enforce a blunt
object ban or a rock registration scenario they'll eventually end up
suspending you all from bungee cords to preclude kicking and biting each
other.
Fred J