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[MWeaver@niku.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote:

> Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using

drugs,

> the cyclists that is.

some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind.

> And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike, he > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right?

cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least the upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular strength. anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the dirt. -mark weaver

[trevor.walton@verizon.net]

At 03:58 PM 7/31/01 +0000, you wrote:

>--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using >drugs, > > the cyclists that is. > >some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless >accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to >be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the >ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind.

That's because most amateur racers (myself included) race for the love of the sport and for the fitness/health benefits. Mucking about with performance enhancing drugs takes a serious toll on your body, negating the health benefits of training. That's why I can't understand why so many people claim Lance has to be doping. I seriously doubt that anyone who's gone through what he's been through, and survived is going to risk their health for a sporting event... And from an amateur point of view, even if one were prone to doping, who could afford it? The *legal* nutritional supplements are expensive enough. ~$40 for 20 or so servings of a post-workout recovery drink, same for Revenge or Cytomax or similar during-event sports drink, and if you're into herbal supplements (I'm not) it can get even more expensive. I can't even imagine what the *illegal* performance enhancing drugs must cost. As for the which is a better workout debate, I'll bring my heart rate monitor when I get the new KLR off-road (waiting 'til after the break-in, don't wanna be restricted to 4k rpm). Though given my experience level off-road on anything with a motor(nil), that's probably not a fair comparison. Any cyclists/mx'ers have heart rate monitor and wanna put this debate to rest? -Trevor

[Claes Borovac]

I have been in to cycling myself and know what is required. I am only talking about the top riders in Tour de France. That is all. In other words, all the riders shown on TV. Claes. -----Original Message----- From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] Sent: 31 July 2001 16:58 To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using drugs, > the cyclists that is. some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike, he > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right? cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least the upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular strength. anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the dirt. -mark weaver Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Claes Borovac]

Auch, the heart rate will not decide which is the most exhausting excercise unfortunately. For example, you have a higher max pulse when running compared to when bicycling. So it is a no go. -----Original Message----- From: trevor.walton@... [mailto:trevor.walton@...] Sent: 01 August 2001 05:48 To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert At 03:58 PM 7/31/01 +0000, you wrote:

>--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using >drugs, > > the cyclists that is. > >some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless >accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to >be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the >ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind.

That's because most amateur racers (myself included) race for the love of the sport and for the fitness/health benefits. Mucking about with performance enhancing drugs takes a serious toll on your body, negating the health benefits of training. That's why I can't understand why so many people claim Lance has to be doping. I seriously doubt that anyone who's gone through what he's been through, and survived is going to risk their health for a sporting event... And from an amateur point of view, even if one were prone to doping, who could afford it? The *legal* nutritional supplements are expensive enough. ~$40 for 20 or so servings of a post-workout recovery drink, same for Revenge or Cytomax or similar during-event sports drink, and if you're into herbal supplements (I'm not) it can get even more expensive. I can't even imagine what the *illegal* performance enhancing drugs must cost. As for the which is a better workout debate, I'll bring my heart rate monitor when I get the new KLR off-road (waiting 'til after the break-in, don't wanna be restricted to 4k rpm). Though given my experience level off-road on anything with a motor(nil), that's probably not a fair comparison. Any cyclists/mx'ers have heart rate monitor and wanna put this debate to rest? -Trevor Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Guest]

i still don't believe you. that is to say, not entirely. there's certainly enough doping to make one cynical, and it's part of the reason i don't follow racing as closely anymore (after 6 years of road racing europe and 10 years of mountain bike and cyclocross racing in the US), but i think plenty of riders are clean with regards to illegal doping. i only take exception to the "ALL" part of your claim. mw

> -----Original Message----- > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:Claes.Borovac@...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:29 AM > To: MWeaver@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > I have been in to cycling myself and know what is required. I am only > talking about the top riders in Tour de France. That is all. In other > words, all the riders shown on TV. > > Claes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] > Sent: 31 July 2001 16:58 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > drugs, > > the cyclists that is. > > some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > > > And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike, he > > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right? > > cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least the > upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. > motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and > skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular > strength. > > anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike > racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even > define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling > can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the dirt. > > -mark weaver > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Claes Borovac]

Well, considering what they have found and that the stars continually are caught I know what I believe. But, it is up to each individual to have his or hers own idea about it. Certainly not all are cheating but they are so many now that there, to me, is no honesty left in the sport, on the really top level. Still enjoy my own cycling though. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weaver [mailto:mweaver@...] Sent: 01 August 2001 16:46 To: Claes Borovac; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert i still don't believe you. that is to say, not entirely. there's certainly enough doping to make one cynical, and it's part of the reason i don't follow racing as closely anymore (after 6 years of road racing europe and 10 years of mountain bike and cyclocross racing in the US), but i think plenty of riders are clean with regards to illegal doping. i only take exception to the "ALL" part of your claim. mw

> -----Original Message----- > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:Claes.Borovac@...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:29 AM > To: MWeaver@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > I have been in to cycling myself and know what is required. I am only > talking about the top riders in Tour de France. That is all. In other > words, all the riders shown on TV. > > Claes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] > Sent: 31 July 2001 16:58 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > drugs, > > the cyclists that is. > > some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > > > And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike, he > > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right? > > cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least the > upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. > motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and > skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular > strength. > > anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike > racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even > define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling > can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the dirt. > > -mark weaver > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[rob]

Great idea!!! I anxiously await your results!! trevor.walton@... wrote:

> At 03:58 PM 7/31/01 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > >drugs, > > > the cyclists that is. > > > >some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > >accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > >be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > >ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > That's because most amateur racers (myself included) race for the love of > the sport and for the fitness/health benefits. Mucking about with > performance enhancing drugs takes a serious toll on your body, negating the > health benefits of training. That's why I can't understand why so many > people claim Lance has to be doping. I seriously doubt that anyone who's > gone through what he's been through, and survived is going to risk their > health for a sporting event... And from an amateur point of view, even if > one were prone to doping, who could afford it? The *legal* nutritional > supplements are expensive enough. ~$40 for 20 or so servings of a > post-workout recovery drink, same for Revenge or Cytomax or similar > during-event sports drink, and if you're into herbal supplements (I'm not) > it can get even more expensive. I can't even imagine what the *illegal* > performance enhancing drugs must cost. > > As for the which is a better workout debate, I'll bring my heart rate > monitor when I get the new KLR off-road (waiting 'til after the break-in, > don't wanna be restricted to 4k rpm). Though given my experience level > off-road on anything with a motor(nil), that's probably not a fair > comparison. Any cyclists/mx'ers have heart rate monitor and wanna put this > debate to rest? > > -Trevor > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[rob]

Auch, Where did you get that bit of wrong information? And the key to good exercise is a target heart (say 80% of your max {220 - your age = max HR} sustained for a length of time). Cycling is ideal for this kind of training. Claes Borovac wrote:

> Auch, the heart rate will not decide which is the most exhausting > excercise unfortunately. For example, you have a higher max pulse when > running compared to when bicycling. So it is a no go. > > -----Original Message----- > From: trevor.walton@... [mailto:trevor.walton@...] > Sent: 01 August 2001 05:48 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > At 03:58 PM 7/31/01 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > >drugs, > > > the cyclists that is. > > > >some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > >accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > >be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > >ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > That's because most amateur racers (myself included) race for the love > of > the sport and for the fitness/health benefits. Mucking about with > performance enhancing drugs takes a serious toll on your body, negating > the > health benefits of training. That's why I can't understand why so many > people claim Lance has to be doping. I seriously doubt that anyone who's > > gone through what he's been through, and survived is going to risk > their > health for a sporting event... And from an amateur point of view, even > if > one were prone to doping, who could afford it? The *legal* nutritional > supplements are expensive enough. ~$40 for 20 or so servings of a > post-workout recovery drink, same for Revenge or Cytomax or similar > during-event sports drink, and if you're into herbal supplements (I'm > not) > it can get even more expensive. I can't even imagine what the *illegal* > performance enhancing drugs must cost. > > As for the which is a better workout debate, I'll bring my heart rate > monitor when I get the new KLR off-road (waiting 'til after the > break-in, > don't wanna be restricted to 4k rpm). Though given my experience level > off-road on anything with a motor(nil), that's probably not a fair > comparison. Any cyclists/mx'ers have heart rate monitor and wanna put > this > debate to rest? > > -Trevor > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[rob]

Ya know how your teachers taught you that when taking a multiple choice test, that choices like "all" and "none" were probably false....well, so is your logic when you say there is "no honesty left in the sport". I know there are cheaters. Many of them are told by their coaches to take stuff if they want to climb better or have quicker recovery so they do it. There is alot of blame to go around, doesn't make it right - the way it is. Everyone is trying to get an edge. Lance's training methods may be very unconventional, doesn't make them illegal. IMHO Claes Borovac wrote:

> Well, considering what they have found and that the stars continually > are caught I know what I believe. But, it is up to each individual to > have his or hers own idea about it. Certainly not all are cheating but > they are so many now that there, to me, is no honesty left in the sport, > on the really top level. Still enjoy my own cycling though. > > Claes, a swede in Dublin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weaver [mailto:mweaver@...] > Sent: 01 August 2001 16:46 > To: Claes Borovac; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > i still don't believe you. that is to say, not entirely. there's > certainly > enough doping to make one cynical, and it's part of the reason i don't > follow racing as closely anymore (after 6 years of road racing europe > and 10 > years of mountain bike and cyclocross racing in the US), but i think > plenty > of riders are clean with regards to illegal doping. i only take > exception to > the "ALL" part of your claim. > mw > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:Claes.Borovac@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:29 AM > > To: MWeaver@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > > > > I have been in to cycling myself and know what is required. I am only > > talking about the top riders in Tour de France. That is all. In other > > words, all the riders shown on TV. > > > > Claes. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] > > Sent: 31 July 2001 16:58 > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > > drugs, > > > the cyclists that is. > > > > some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > > accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > > be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > > ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > > > > > > And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike, he > > > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > > > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right? > > > > cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least the > > upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. > > motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and > > skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular > > strength. > > > > anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike > > racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even > > define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling > > can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the dirt. > > > > -mark weaver > > > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Claes Borovac]

Well, as I said, to me there is no honesty left. I have no clue of Lances training methods, but I would be very surprised if he turned out to be clean, just my opinion. Same thing in most other places though. Look at athletics and so on. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Rob [mailto:rheywoo1@...] Sent: 01 August 2001 22:43 To: Claes Borovac Cc: Mark Weaver; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert Ya know how your teachers taught you that when taking a multiple choice test, that choices like "all" and "none" were probably false....well, so is your logic when you say there is "no honesty left in the sport". I know there are cheaters. Many of them are told by their coaches to take stuff if they want to climb better or have quicker recovery so they do it. There is alot of blame to go around, doesn't make it right - the way it is. Everyone is trying to get an edge. Lance's training methods may be very unconventional, doesn't make them illegal. IMHO Claes Borovac wrote:

> Well, considering what they have found and that the stars continually > are caught I know what I believe. But, it is up to each individual to > have his or hers own idea about it. Certainly not all are cheating but > they are so many now that there, to me, is no honesty left in the

sport,

> on the really top level. Still enjoy my own cycling though. > > Claes, a swede in Dublin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Weaver [mailto:mweaver@...] > Sent: 01 August 2001 16:46 > To: Claes Borovac; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > i still don't believe you. that is to say, not entirely. there's > certainly > enough doping to make one cynical, and it's part of the reason i don't > follow racing as closely anymore (after 6 years of road racing europe > and 10 > years of mountain bike and cyclocross racing in the US), but i think > plenty > of riders are clean with regards to illegal doping. i only take > exception to > the "ALL" part of your claim. > mw > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:Claes.Borovac@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:29 AM > > To: MWeaver@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > > > > I have been in to cycling myself and know what is required. I am

only

> > talking about the top riders in Tour de France. That is all. In

other

> > words, all the riders shown on TV. > > > > Claes. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] > > Sent: 31 July 2001 16:58 > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > > drugs, > > > the cyclists that is. > > > > some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > > accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > > be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > > ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > > > > > > And by the way, if you took a cyclist and stuck him on a mx bike,

he

> > > would not stand a chance in hell either, their upperbodies are > > > completely underdeveloped, something very necessary for mx, right? > > > > cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. lots of them have at least

the

> > upper body development of a motocrosser, but that's not saying much. > > motocrossers usually seem to be fit, wiry, little guys. finesse and > > skill and endurance are probably more important than muscular > > strength. > > > > anyway, who cares? none of us is an elite mx-er or an elite bike > > racer. it is meaningless to me which is more "fit" (if you can even > > define that term satisfactorily). one thing is for sure, bicycling > > can increase your ability to enjoy riding your motorcycle in the

dirt.

> > > > -mark weaver > > > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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