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[Claes Borovac]

Got it from an expert called Joe Beer in Cycling Plus if that says anything? My own comparisons using a HRM indicate the same thing. The max achievable pulse for different sports, is just different. Not saying that the sport with "higher" max pulse is "harder". Just that the pulse differs. Ok? Claes. -----Original Message----- From: Rob [mailto:rheywoo1@...] Sent: 01 August 2001 22:24 To: Claes Borovac Cc: trevor.walton@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert Auch, Where did you get that bit of wrong information? And the key to good exercise is a target heart (say 80% of your max {220 - your age = max HR} sustained for a length of time). Cycling is ideal for this kind of training. Claes Borovac wrote:

> Auch, the heart rate will not decide which is the most exhausting > excercise unfortunately. For example, you have a higher max pulse when > running compared to when bicycling. So it is a no go. > > -----Original Message----- > From: trevor.walton@... [mailto:trevor.walton@...] > Sent: 01 August 2001 05:48 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > At 03:58 PM 7/31/01 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Claes Borovac" wrote: > > > Please do not use cycling for a comparison. They are ALL using > >drugs, > > > the cyclists that is. > > > >some are. some aren't. lots of people throw around baseless > >accusations like this to sell newspaers. anyway, it doesn't have to > >be a pro bicyclist. most amateur racers are pretty dang fit, and the > >ones i know don't do performance-enhancing drugs of any kind. > > That's because most amateur racers (myself included) race for the love > of > the sport and for the fitness/health benefits. Mucking about with > performance enhancing drugs takes a serious toll on your body,

negating

> the > health benefits of training. That's why I can't understand why so many > people claim Lance has to be doping. I seriously doubt that anyone

who's

> > gone through what he's been through, and survived is going to risk > their > health for a sporting event... And from an amateur point of view, even > if > one were prone to doping, who could afford it? The *legal* nutritional > supplements are expensive enough. ~$40 for 20 or so servings of a > post-workout recovery drink, same for Revenge or Cytomax or similar > during-event sports drink, and if you're into herbal supplements (I'm > not) > it can get even more expensive. I can't even imagine what the

*illegal*

> performance enhancing drugs must cost. > > As for the which is a better workout debate, I'll bring my heart rate > monitor when I get the new KLR off-road (waiting 'til after the > break-in, > don't wanna be restricted to 4k rpm). Though given my experience level > off-road on anything with a motor(nil), that's probably not a fair > comparison. Any cyclists/mx'ers have heart rate monitor and wanna put > this > debate to rest? > > -Trevor > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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[Jim Niday]

Hey all, Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Lance Armstrong been battling the big C for the past few years? If so, no question that he's on drugs. Wouldn't any drug that he might be taking to control the spread of cancer, naturally, (or unnaturally) improve his performance? just a thought. Jim Niday

[Zachariah Mully]

I don't remember where I read this, but Lance said that after cancer treatements destroyed his body he decided that he wanted to rebuild it into the perfect biking physique. He used to be a triathelete I do believe and so his upper body was a lot larger than it needed to be for biking only. So after he kicked cancer he focused on training, more training, and more training. A very dear friend of mine had a rare form of bone marrow cancer that we think she's kicked. She's been free from tumors for the past three years but she's no where near as atheletic as she once was, and she really can't be... The drugs that they have her on give her naseua, dizziness, all sorts of nasty GI problems and she's always tired. And these are just the drugs to help her recover from the drugs they gave her while she had cancer! So personally I think that the argument that Lance's cancer treatments have made him super-human are total bullshit. The only thing that makes that guy so damn fast his is training. Jeez, why do people insist on picking apart someone else's great achievements... Can't we all just admire the guy for who he is and what he's done? I feel like Bierdo today, posting crap every five minutes ------------------ Zack Banana Republic of Washington, DC KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa 125 COG #4664

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Niday [mailto:jcniday@...] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:01 PM > To: kawasaki klr650 group > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: exercise (NKLR) ignorance alert > > > Hey all, > Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Lance Armstrong been > battling the big C > for the past few years? If so, no question that he's on > drugs. Wouldn't any > drug that he might be taking to control the spread of cancer, > naturally, (or > unnaturally) improve his performance? just a thought. > Jim Niday > >

[Jim Keal]

Wrong, here's the scoop: Actually, Lance did in fact take EPO; the UCI's #1 enemy during his chemo treatments. Five years ago. This is how he survived his chemo, it raises your hematocrit levels allowing your blood to carry more O2. The chemo attacks much more than the cancer and the EPO is standard issue for many people going through Chemo. However: The effects of his EPO use are long gone. He has not tested positive for any banned substance in over three years, these are not perfect tests but they are randomly administered throughout the year. He is not currently being treated for cancer and is actually looking forward to the birth of twins in December (his wife is having them). -Jim

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Lance Armstrong been battling the big C >for the past few years? If so, no question that he's on drugs. Wouldn't any >drug that he might be taking to control the spread of cancer, naturally, >(or >unnaturally) improve his performance? just a thought.

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[ezkapp@aol.com]

Sorry, to disagree a bit but the only way people can accomplish these feats is to first be lucky enough to have the right physiology...which means a muscle fiber type pattern that allows for marathon type events...only then will proper training will put you in the elite of these people. Training alone won't help average people become world class athletes. You have to be born with the right genes that make for better physiologic make up for that sport. Evan Kapp DO, MPH A13 Albuquerque, NM

[Dan Oaks]

on 8/2/01 8:16 PM, Zachariah Mully at zmully@... wrote:

> I feel like Bierdo today, posting crap every five minutes > > ------------------ > Zack > Banana Republic of Washington, DC

Obviously, people read crap. -- bierdo

[Zachariah Mully]

> Obviously, people read crap. > -- > bierdo >

It's the only thing that I'll read these days ------------------ Zack Banana Republic of Washington, DC KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa 125 COG #4664

[rob]

Ha!! Dan Oaks wrote:

> on 8/2/01 8:16 PM, Zachariah Mully at zmully@... wrote: > > > I feel like Bierdo today, posting crap every five minutes > > > > ------------------ > > Zack > > Banana Republic of Washington, DC > Obviously, people read crap. > -- > bierdo > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[rob]

Lance is genetically gifted AND he probably trains harder and with more precsion than any other pro cyclist. ezkapp@... wrote:

> Sorry, to disagree a bit but the only way people can accomplish these feats is to first be lucky enough to have the right physiology...which means a muscle fiber type pattern that allows for marathon type events...only then will proper training will put you in the elite of these people. Training alone won't help average people become world class athletes. You have to be born with the right genes that make for better physiologic make up for that sport. > > Evan Kapp DO, MPH > A13 > Albuquerque, NM > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Swede]

Yup, boys, that thar's cowboy logic! And to think, some of you think it's a bitch to get your 400lb bike off the ground with your bare hands, try putting a 1000lb steer to the ground on his back - hands only. "Swede"

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dan Oaks wrote: > When the cattle had been loaded into cars and shipped to > Chicago for sale, each car was appointed an attendant to > feed and water the cattle during the journey. This is > the story of such a cowboy: > > Following the unloading of the cattle in Chicago, the > cowboy headed to a restaurant for dinner. The only seat > was next to a lady who looked wealthy and educated. He > couldn't help overhearing her order. "I'll have a breast > of fowl, virgin fowl, make sure it's a virgin, catch it > yourself, garnish my plate with onions, a cup of coffee, > not too hot, not too cold, and open the window, I smell a > cow, there must be a cowboy in here." > > Thoroughly pissed off, the cowboy placed his > order. "I'll have a duck, a f*cked duck, make sure it's > f*cked, f*ck it yourself, garnish my plate with horse > shit, a cup of coffee, strong as Texas mule piss, blow > the foam off with a fart, and knock out the wall, I > smell a cunt, there must be a whore in the house."