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[jesbo@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/14/01 11:38:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, jazranch@... writes:

> I've got a new hunch about the future. > I think once all these guys on 1100s find out how good > these 650's are.....there gonna trade in their bikes. > Simply because(exlcuding two up or cross country marathons) > the 650 will do anything the larger bikes will do > and you'll have more fun doing it....... >

If you read a bit between the lines of my last post on this topic you know that I might just be one of 'em. I love my K1100 but it's a handful to lug around and a properly equipped 650 WOULD IMHO be more fun in the long run.... Jess Booth K11LT KLR650

[racing43rd@aol.com]

Maybe it's time for Honda to bring back the Transalp. The guy I bought my Alp from has a F650 and he would trade me even up "in a heartbeat" (his words). In fact the Transalp probably meets the criteria Dual-Sport (Triple Sport?) better than any 600/650 I can think of. 47/52 mpg, not as good as a KLR in the dirt, but better than the F650, tours 1 or 2 up better than either. I know I'm biased but why don't we all write Honda USA a letter and get them to bring the Alp back then more folks can become biased. It really is a bit of a "wonderbike". Ed Windsor Ohio 1990 Red TA

[Dale_Johnson@ahm.honda.com]

--Snip

> know I'm biased but why don't we all write Honda USA a letter and

get them to

> bring the Alp back then more folks can become biased. It really is -

-Snip American Honda Motor Co., INC. 1919 Torrance Blvd Torrance Ca. 90501

[racing43rd@aol.com]

The Harley would probably die of a heart attack in the middle of the fight Ed Windsor Ohio

[Russell Scott]

My basic problem with any Beemer is when it falls over. I would hate to see how much it would have cost to fix it if I had dropped it the same amount of times I have the KLR. And weighing another hundred pounds would make it even uglier if it landed on you. For strictly street and fire roads, I think it would be much better than a KLR, if you have the budget for it. But for single-track and nasty jeep trails, I would have a hard time even trying them on the Beemer, just because of all the potential damage it could cause. And being tentative in the dirt to protect the bike would make the odds of crashing even greater. No doubt its a better bike, but at what price, and who is having more fun, instead of worrying about scratching it? Russel'r DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: [DSN_klr650] Re: F650GS vs. KLR650 according to City Bike NKLR Well folks. I can't keep silent any longer on this subject. I purchaced the Dakar a few months ago. But due to old man winter havn't put any miles yet. I have heard both sides of this argument and thought i would add my two cents worth. As for price. Is the KLR any cheaper? After you put all the stuff like, Exhaust, Progressive springs, jet kit, fork brace, DID chain, corbin seat, Skid plate, front brake braided line due to piss poor front braking! Not to mention any other mod. Do the math.... You still don't have the power, braking, stainless steal exhaust which you don't have to repack every year. Bremco dual piston caliper. Not to mention the 3 year warranty with road side assistance. Come on compare Apples to Apples. Time will tell if thier is any down falls to this bike. As for the resale price, you will find the Dakar will hold it's value, due to limited run only 12 - 18 brought into Canada a year. Do you ever see any Dakar's in the FOR SALE adds? I rest my case. The ride compared to the KLR is like night and day. Their is no vibration to speak off. Rubber mounted engine mounts take care of that. Just my 2 cents worth. Lets here some more comments. Rick Northern BC Canada. Thanks SKIP for your comments. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Toby 'Slide' Lampson]

Qualifying the Dakar as a reference. With respect to your points.... A Dakar can be ridden in and out a places a T-Alp can't touch. The Dakars I think will stay with, if not beat the Alp stock, solo, loaded. A Dakar will touch in at 110mph, slight downhill, no wind. Two up, loaded, climbing(altitude 7-9k el.), the V-Twin would probably torque a win. CoG and tracking goes to the Dakar. Smoothness to the Alp(heck they're like sewing machines). Don't get me wrong......I love Alps too. racing43rd@... wrote:

> Maybe it's time for Honda to bring back the Transalp. The guy I bought my Alp > from has a F650 and he would trade me even up "in a heartbeat" (his words). > In fact the Transalp probably meets the criteria Dual-Sport (Triple Sport?) > better than any 600/650 I can think of. 47/52 mpg, not as good as a KLR in > the dirt, but better than the F650, tours 1 or 2 up better than either. I > know I'm biased but why don't we all write Honda USA a letter and get them to > bring the Alp back then more folks can become biased. It really is a bit of a > "wonderbike". > > Ed > Windsor Ohio > 1990 Red TA > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Toby 'Slide' Lampson]

Russell Scott wrote:

> My basic problem with any Beemer is when it falls over. I would hate to > see how much it would have cost to fix it if I had dropped it the same > amount of times I have the KLR. And weighing another hundred pounds would > make it even uglier if it landed on you. For strictly street and fire > roads, I think it would be much better than a KLR, if you have the budget > for it. But for single-track and nasty jeep trails, I would have a hard > time even trying them on the Beemer, just because of all the potential > damage it could cause. And being tentative in the dirt to protect the bike > would make the odds of crashing even greater. No doubt its a better bike, > but at what price, and who is having more fun, instead of worrying about > scratching it? > > Russel'r fact, for an extra grand you can have a KLR and an XR650R like I do.

Totally valid points Russlr'. Indeed one can find frugality in the KLR world and perhaps own two bikes for the price of a Dakar. The XR world is definitely home to me. Still the Dakar fits in a niche the KLR will never see, mostly due to CoG, but also in power to mpg. Really the weight difference is no where near what is claimed. I was an absolute child the whole time on the Dakar..while the KLR can get boring...it still wasn't a 'whole' world away from the new steed.......only half a one. Watch, some major design discrepancy will still unveil, and Beemer bigotry will flame on...........

[R Bizarro]

Russell, Do your math again. Last time I checked on all the mods I had to do to my KLR to even come close to the Dakar, well way over $200.00. Lets say $2000.00+ for argument sake. Yes the XR is in a hole different league. We are talking about Dual Purpose touring bikes. If you want a true off-raod bike with some on-raod the XR is great. I know I had one of those as well. As far as dropping the bike, yes I will agree it will hurt. But as far as I am concerned I will go anywhere the KLR will go. I have been places with the KLR that I thought we would never go or make, without a scratch or a ding. When you live in the North where roads end and you push the limits of a machine you learn how to ride and respect machine. Thats all for now Rick.

----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Scott To: 'KLR Kountry' DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: F650GS vs. KLR650 according to City Bike NKLR > My basic problem with any Beemer is when it falls over. I would hate to > see how much it would have cost to fix it if I had dropped it the same > amount of times I have the KLR. And weighing another hundred pounds would > make it even uglier if it landed on you. For strictly street and fire > roads, I think it would be much better than a KLR, if you have the budget > for it. But for single-track and nasty jeep trails, I would have a hard > time even trying them on the Beemer, just because of all the potential > damage it could cause. And being tentative in the dirt to protect the bike > would make the odds of crashing even greater. No doubt its a better bike, > but at what price, and who is having more fun, instead of worrying about > scratching it? > > Russel'r fact, for an extra grand you can have a KLR and an XR650R like I do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Bizarro [SMTP:rbizarro@...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:55 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [DSN_klr650] Re: F650GS vs. KLR650 according to City Bike > NKLR > > Well folks. > I can't keep silent any longer on this subject. I > purchaced the Dakar a few months ago. But due to old man winter havn't put > any miles yet. > I have heard both sides of this argument and thought i would add my two > cents worth. > As for price. Is the KLR any cheaper? After you put all the stuff like, > Exhaust, Progressive springs, jet kit, fork brace, DID chain, corbin seat, > Skid plate, front brake braided line due to piss poor front braking! Not to > mention any other mod. Do the math.... You still don't have the power, > braking, stainless steal exhaust which you don't have to repack every year. > Bremco dual piston caliper. Not to mention the 3 year warranty with road > side assistance. Come on compare Apples to Apples. > Time will tell if thier is any down falls to this bike. As for the resale > price, you will find the Dakar will hold it's value, due to limited run > only > 12 - 18 brought into Canada a year. Do you ever see any Dakar's in the FOR > SALE adds? I rest my case. The ride compared to the KLR is like night and > day. Their is no vibration to speak off. Rubber mounted engine mounts take > care of that. > Just my 2 cents worth. > Lets here some more comments. > Rick > Northern BC Canada. > > Thanks SKIP for your comments. >

[msfaul@digisys.net]

On the fence thing, why would I want to drag it under when I can call BMW and have them airlift it over to the other side? On the price side, where did $9000 come from? Mine was $7800, which included an excellent engine guard(not the plate) and power socket, including heated grips at cost.Another important fact that I seem to see some in denial of. The price is relative to what a person can afford and what something is worth to them. If you`ll check the archives, I gave my wife nothing but grief for her choice of the F650 for several months and ended up getting hordes of e-mails coming to her defense. I just happen to have my priorities elsewhere. I drive a 1986 Trooper Diesel in the winter, have a 1966 Mercedes Unimog for fun,wood hauling and hunting ($4500 with 22,000 miles on it). My wife a drives a 1991 Mazda MPV. My bike is my main transportation until ice prevents me. I dare say many of you out there have paid anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000 for a vehicle. That`s fine. My rigs are all paid for and are in top notch running shape. I have no vehicle payments and have no problem paying $7700 for a bike if I think it`s worth it.If it turns out I don`t think it is, I`ll sell it. As for plastic, there`s less to break on the Dakar than on my KLR.Anyway, I could care less. If I crack it, I`ll fix it. On the weight issue, I`ll state again, the dry weight is only 39lbs. more than the KLR, and it`s a whole lot lower and I can honestly say that it actually rides like it weighs less. Believe me, I`d know. The published weight on the Dakar is it`s wet weight, ready to ride, and is less than the GS model. The Dakar I rode weighed in at 414 lbs. wet on the pallet scales we weighed it on. I`ve never weighed my KLR, but the published dry weight is 339 lbs., add fuel oil and electrolyte and figure it for yourself. I could care less about it being a BMW, if it does what I want it to do, the way I want it to do it, what do I care who made it, otherwise I wouldn`t have bought a KLR650. Believe me, if it won`t walk the walk, it`s gone. I have no brand loyalties, I can`t afford to. Sorry, nuff said. Skip

[Mark]

At 3:34 AM +0000 2/15/01, msfaul@... wrote:

> I have a 1966 Mercedes Unimog

Those are too cool! I wish I could find one around here. Mark B2 A2