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				What's happening... Update
				Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:12 pm
				by Terry Horlick
				For anyone interested here is an update on TC2285's first test trip:
 
 After fitting the new side curtain frames to 2285 on Wednesday night
 I rushed home from 
 work at 5 on Thursday, tossed baggage into the boot and was off.  I
 have been looking 
 forward to this trip so much that even the deluge of biblical
 purportions didn't stop me.  
 This car is a home model which probably hasn't seen any rain since
 coming to the US and 
 as it is rot free/rust free I didn't relish a dousing with rain.  You
 have to be firm in your 
 commitment to making a trip in a TC to talk your spouse into such an
 adventure.  
 Fortunately I have a wonderful wife who is going along with it all so
 far.
 
 The plan was to make a stab at getting to the coast and then take a
 run down the 
 California coast from Clint Eastwood to Al Moss.  First night
 everything went well, the car 
 cruises out well at 60 mph to comfortably and safely keep up with
 freeway traffic in the 
 rightmost lane.  A highway patrol cruiser hung in my blind spot for a
 while before blasting 
 on down the road, aparently just scoping the TC.  Surprisingly in the
 297 miles to our first 
 stop we did not come upon any other TC's on the road.  We pulled into
 a hotel lot in 
 Gilroy, our only complaint that we had been overdressed for the
 amount of engine heat 
 retained in a closed TC cabin.  The wipers were adequate and the
 little splashes of rain 
 sneaking into the driver's position offered a welcome bit of
 refreshment.  Terrie was 
 dissapointed that the California roads are in too poor of repair to
 allow her to make any 
 progress on her needlepoint project... bounce, bounce, bounce!
 
 Friday morning dawned with a low overcast and weather service
 predictions of steady 
 heavy rain all the way down the coast.  The last time we did the
 coastal drive was on our 
 honeymoon just 29 years ago, then we had predictions of clear but had
 solid fog.  That 
 time we never did see the ocean.  It was with a bit of trepidation
 that I chose the coastal 
 rather than the inland route, but passing that we were committed. 
 The overcast was lifting 
 so things were looking great.  Cruising out at 60 mph we were passing
 Fort Ord and 
 approaching our first heavy traffic just outside of Seaside near
 Monterey when FLAP FLAP 
 FLAP FLAP.  Terrie immediately wanted to know what had happened, all
 I could say was it 
 sounded like a fan belt and I didn't bring a spare one.  The bluish
 smoke coming out the 
 tail pipe didn't bode well for fan belt failure being the cause.  I
 pulled off to the shoulder 
 and inspected.  I had bveen watching temp and pressure, and they
 remained good.  The 
 fan belt was intact...l everything looked fine.  So I cautiously
 started the engine.  It started 
 right up and seemed to run fine, no noises, the only hint of a
 problem was that persistant 
 slight smoke out the tailpipe.
 
 I gingerly drove into the next town less than a mile distant.  We
 stopped for breakfast and 
 to have a good think.  While masticating a Jalepeno bagel I spied the
 next street... auto 
 repair row!  Within three blocks there were at least 6 repair shops. 
 I picked the most 
 promising... Miatas, Jaguars, Land Rovers etc. were lodged in the
 bays.  I poked my head in 
 and was met by an incredulous stare...1947 MG!!!  At least they did
 direct me down the 
 block to a sign I had missed, "Autotorium".  Upon pulling in there I
 knew I had found a 
 home.... out from behind a 60's Morris Minor and a 60's Jaguar came a
 tall distinguished 
 looking English man from London.  Leslie Goode just shook his head
 and said he was all 
 jammed up.  
 
 Then the magic happened, he looked over my shoulder and said "Oh, a
 TC", then 
 sauntered over and asked me to lift the hood and start the engine. 
 Everything
 on the near side looked ok so we bopped over to the off side and he
 commenced pulling
 off spark plug wires just to test.  "It's running on two".  Next he
 pulled off #1 and #2 
 plugs, I could see that the ground contact on #2 had been smooshed
 flat against the
 electrode...BIG bummer!
 
 Leslie stands up and says "well you busted a piston skirt, they do
 that sometimes".   
 Choices: go home (300 miles) and get the trailer,  or just sit and
 whine.  I chose the 
 former.  We loaded up into a rental car and Leslie offered to PUSH
 the car into his shop for 
 the weekend at the end of the day.  I suggested he drive it in and he
 insisted that the 
 engine could be ruined at any moment if you run it.  So off we go in
 the rental Ford for a 
 wonderful run down a clear and sunny coast... perfect hood-down
 weather on a perfect TC 
 road...darn!
 
 By the time I got to Moss in Goleta I purchased head and sump gaskets
 and decided not to 
 fly home from the next stop: Burbank.  Instead I rang up Leslie and
 talked a bit.  
 Amazingly enough the jam in the shop was just today... he can get to
 the TC on Monday.  
 So now I am visiting with my daughter near L.A. and waiting for a
 report on Moday.  After 
 Leslie pulls the head and sump off he will report if we can just pack
 in a new set of pistons 
 and be on our way.  If so I will probably run back to Moss to obtain
 proper sized pistons 
 and then run back ujp the coast to get them to him.  If my luck holds
 I will be able to 
 salvage some vacation driving time in the MG.... no Grand Canyon,
 Hoover Dam, or Death 
 Valley, but maybe back up to Kings Canyon, Sequoia and Yosemite... or
 something else 
 fun.  I'll have to drive carefully to seat the rings, but that's part
 of the fun.  
 
 Of course, bad news of a buggered up cylinder will require me to go
 get the trailer and 
 fetch the TC back home so I can pull it out and rebuild it.  Oh, well
 I will know tomorrow.  
 
 If it has to come out then I will bump up the compression a bit,
 maybe go with a new cam 
 and prepare for the installation of a blower when one drops into my
 possesion.  I have a 
 beautiful gear set from Bob Grunau all ready to put in anyway so
 having to do some work 
 isn't a problem.
 
 BTW stock Bishop cam steering is just fine for 60-65 mph on a
 California freeway, I am not 
 at all sorry I passed up a chance at a Datsun and a VW box.
 
 Tune in later for further updates!   FUN!!!
 
 Terry Horlick  TC2285
 
			 
			
					
				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:44 pm
				by Terry Horlick
				I talked to the mechanic on the phone today.  He says a valve broke 
 off and dropped into the cylinder.  It didn't do good things in 
 there.  It scarred up the head and poked a hole through a piston.  
 He can have the machining done and the engine running in about a 
 week.  I am on vacation for a few more days so I flew home tonight 
 and will hook up the trailer tomorrow and drive the 300 miles to 
 retreive the car.  
 
 I can get the machining done here and assemble it here.  That way I 
 have the fun instead of him.  The cost of a mechanic doing the job 
 will more than pay for the parts I need.... pistons, rings, gaskets, 
 valves, seats, guides, oil, gloves, coolant.  
 
 I am considering trying to replace the head with another... anyone 
 know how to port an XPAG head?  If I am going to end up adding a 
 blower eventually do I want to have it all ported out now?
 
 I am acually happy about this, this really sounds like an easy in-
 car engine repair.  It even gives me a chance to get into the bottom 
 end to check on rods and mains.  I may pull the radiator off again 
 as I have a good timing cover waiting for installation... maybe it 
 is time to think new cam... I do have a new chain waiting.  For sure 
 if I do the timing cover I will go with a new modern front seal even 
 though my new felt seal in front isn't leaking... yet!
 
 This is fun... but driving the car is more fun still!
 
 Terry   TC2285
 
			 
			
					
				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:49 am
				by joecurto@aol.com
				Terry I believe that conventional wisdom on porting cylinder heads with cars 
 that have blowers is not to do it
 
 Joe Curto
 
 
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:11 pm
				by Terry Horlick
				Well it is time for another update.  Rather than bore you here I have 
 posted a note up at the following link where you can go if you are 
 really bored:
 
 
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/thorlick/vacation/vaca.htm
 
 Terry TC2285
 
			 
			
					
				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:12 pm
				by Gene Gillam
				Terry,
 
 Finding your adventure very interesting...thanks for keeping us updated.
 
 Gene Gillam
 Saucier, MS
 
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:23 pm
				by bdavispics
				Terry...
 This is definitely beyond the scope of garden hose or metal rod technology! 

 Good luck with the rebuild!
 Bill Davis - Nashville
 
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:54 pm
				by DougPulver@aol.com
				Terry,
  
 Congratulations. You appear to be the very person to own such a fine automobile. Rather than wringing your hands and saying "woe is me" (which I must confess seems to be my mantra lately) you have taken this all on as a wonderful adventure.
  
 And besides, you have now created a webpage with pictures and everything. How many hours a day do you actually have, because I'm not sure I could do half of what you are doing.
  
 Anyway, good luck to you. You are a nice addition to this group.
  
 Doug Pulver
 TC 5850
 San Diego, CA 
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Terry Horlick thorlick@sbcglobal.net>
 To: 
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:11:35 -0000
 Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: What's happening... Update
 
 
 Well it is time for another update.  Rather than bore you here I have 
 posted a note up at the following link where you can go if you are 
 really bored:
 
 
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/thorlick/vacation/vaca.htm
 
 Terry TC2285
 
 
 
 
  
 Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
  
 
 
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:30 pm
				by 1939mgtb
				Whoee.  You were lucky!
 Best,
 Ray
 "Morology is our profession,
 our ONLY profession!"
 
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 From: DougPulver@aol.com>
 To: thorlick@sbcglobal.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: What's happening... Update
 
 
 > Terry,
 >
 > Congratulations. You appear to be the very person to own such a fine 
 > automobile. Rather than wringing your hands and saying "woe is me" (which 
 > I must confess seems to be my mantra lately) you have taken this all on as 
 > a wonderful adventure.
 >
 > And besides, you have now created a webpage with pictures and everything. 
 > How many hours a day do you actually have, because I'm not sure I could do 
 > half of what you are doing.
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 > Anyway, good luck to you. You are a nice addition to this group.
 >
 > Doug Pulver
 > TC 5850
 > San Diego, CA
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 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Terry Horlick thorlick@sbcglobal.net>
 > To: 
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
 > Sent: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:11:35 -0000
 > Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: What's happening... Update
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 > Well it is time for another update.  Rather than bore you here I have
 > posted a note up at the following link where you can go if you are
 > really bored:
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 > 
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/thorlick/vacation/vaca.htm
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 > Terry TC2285
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 > Yahoo! Groups Links
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:25 am
				by E.Worpe
				Hi Terry,
   Your picture of the fractured valve stem suggests that the
 valve is made in two sections, the head and stem, and then 
 friction welded together. This process relies on forcing the
 two parts together and then rotating just one part such that  
 the friction raises the temperature to allow the surfaces to
 weld together.
   This is usually a reliable process if set up correctly, clearly
 not so in your case. If a faulty batch has been made, then it
 might be prudent to change the other valves. 
   Regards, Eric.
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
  
 Well it is time for another update.  Rather than bore you here I have 
 posted a note up at the following link .
 
 Terry TC2285
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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				Re: What's happening... Update
				Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:49 am
				by 1939mgtb
				Does anyone make stainless one-piece valves?  Or are we still cutting down 
 other applications?
 Best,
 Ray
 "Morology is our profession,
 our ONLY profession!"
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "E.Worpe" E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk>
 To: "thorlick" thorlick@sbcglobal.net>; "mg-tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:21 AM
 Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Re: What's happening... Update
 
 
 > Hi Terry,
 >  Your picture of the fractured valve stem suggests that the
 > valve is made in two sections, the head and stem, and then
 > friction welded together. This process relies on forcing the
 > two parts together and then rotating just one part such that
 > the friction raises the temperature to allow the surfaces to
 > weld together.
 >  This is usually a reliable process if set up correctly, clearly
 > not so in your case. If a faulty batch has been made, then it
 > might be prudent to change the other valves.
 >  Regards, Eric.
 >
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 >
 > Well it is time for another update.  Rather than bore you here I have
 > posted a note up at the following link .
 >
 > Terry TC2285
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