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Posted: **Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:04 pm**

-Bill

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt usaj24@earthlink.net> [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:59 PM [b]To:[/b] 'Roger Bateman' rogerbateman@rocketmail.com> [b]Subject:[/b] derust

Roger,

For breaking loose seized fasteners/joints a good soak in 50:50 mix of acetone & ATF has never failed me yet. For heavily rusted object, not sheet metal, shot blast, for sheet metal (thin) bead or soda blast to avoid warp potential. Small items can be wire brushed or soaked in vinegar, [b]very [/b]dilute hydrofluoric acid, HCL, Ospho, or a wide variety of derusting products from hardware stores, e.g. Navel Jelly.

If you prefer avoid toxic chemicals, & can find a radiator or engine builder that still has a "Hot Tank", that will do a great job, or electrolysis:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIKhd.VTd3cAIrP7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByYXI3cnIwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDNA--?p=electrolysis+rust+removal&vid=25c3836e6cf2944b6b3a1d77e850cd66&l=19%3A43&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.607992078863368222%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqDNtPO39PuI&tit=Restoring+an+American+Made+Crescent+Wrench+with+%3Cb%3EElectrolysis+Rust+Removal%3C%2Fb% 3E.&c=3&sigr=11aid4kn8&sigt=12hor5383&age=0&&tt=b

and https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=electrolysis+rust+removal&vid=9fbd64eac4897e9db46a2452a06b1df9&turl=http%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.2a24oAdqo3SS%252f2RhEiOovw%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D292%26w%3D520%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dka6ArN_ehas&tit=MACHINE+SHOP+TIPS+%,

also https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=electrolysis+rust+removal&vid=245da17faffca5e0c3a0175b74bf562a&turl=http%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.Y9FcHHJQH9XKbjvDDA%252flDQ%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D225%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dvz-XFEyHD-Y&tit=Rust+Removal+how+to+clean+cast+iron+with+electrolysis&c=4&h=225&w=300&l=287&sigr=11bphagh9&sigt=11lju33hj&sigi=12npeu3p6&ct=p&age=1361501048&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&&tt=b

For car panels dustless blasting looks like good option, if can find someone who does that service: https://www.dustlessblasting.com/ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucYBS4B0bc

-Bill

TC4926

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:34 am**

I have used extensively washing powder by Arm and Hammer ( Sodium carbonate NOT sodium bicarbonate ) and a battery charger . One cup of the powder in a 5 gallon bucket with regular tap water . negative lead to a piece of steel in the bucket and the positive lead to the item you want derusted. Takes a few hours, does and excellent job and is cheep.

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:00 am**

This sounds interesting but am I missing something? Wouldn't the item to be derusted be submerged in the solution? -------- Original message --------From: "Michael Ponsano michaelponsano@gmail.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> Date: 4/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: FW: derust I have used extensively washing powder by Arm and Hammer ( Sodium carbonate NOT sodium bicarbonate ) and a battery charger . One cup of the powder in a 5 gallon bucket with regular tap water . negative lead to a piece of steel in the bucket and the positive lead to the item you want derusted. Takes a few hours, does and excellent job and is cheep.

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:01 pm**

Yes, the item must be submerged in the solution. My experience is that it takes much more than a few hours - more like a few days. I had best results with small items like nuts and bolts. Charles Hill On 4/21/2019 1:00 PM, peterfx20 peterfx20@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

This sounds interesting but am I missing something? Wouldn't the item to be derusted be submerged in the solution? -------- Original message -------- From: "Michael Ponsano michaelponsano@gmail.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: FW: derust I have used extensively washing powder by Arm and Hammer ( Sodium carbonate NOT sodium bicarbonate ) and a battery charger . One cup of the powder in a 5 gallon bucket with regular tap water . negative lead to a piece of steel in the bucket and the positive lead to the item you want derusted. Takes a few hours, does and excellent job and is cheep.

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:39 pm**

Many thanks for your comprehensive reply Bill, Very helpful.

Roger

Posted: **Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:06 pm**

There are so many variables. The amount of corrosion, the amperage, the strength of the solution. But what I like is that it is inexpensive and kinda fool proof easy. I also use it to degrease parts. What I have done to a great degree of success is run a part through the solution , wire brush it, run it through a bath of hydrochloric acid to remove the zinc plating ( if any ) and etch it, run it through the solution again , rinse and then re-plate. Either nickel plate, zinc or copper.

On Apr 21, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Charles Hill chillmog@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Yes, the item must be submerged in the solution. My experience is that it takes much more than a few hours - more like a few days. I had best results with small items like nuts and bolts. Charles Hill On 4/21/2019 1:00 PM, peterfx20 peterfx20@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] wrote: This sounds interesting but am I missing something? Wouldn't the item to be derusted be submerged in the solution? -------- Original message --------From: "Michael Ponsano michaelponsano@gmail.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.comDate: 4/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-05:00)To: "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.comSubject: [mg-tabc] Re: FW: derust I have used extensively washing powder by Arm and Hammer ( Sodium carbonate NOT sodium bicarbonate ) and a battery charger . One cup of the powder in a 5 gallon bucket with regular tap water . negative lead to a piece of steel in the bucket and the positive lead to the item you want derusted. Takes a few hours, does and excellent job and is cheep.