Master Cylinder Heat Shield

[Charles Hill]

Same here. Usually two or three. Charles Hill On 8/13/2017 12:35 PM, John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] wrote:

I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts. Anyone else? _____________________________ John Kallend Professor Emeritus Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering Department of Physics IIT, Chicago

[Steve S]

I've had up to ten duplicates of his posts in the past few days. Strange.

On August 13, 2017 11:13:58 AM "Charles Hill chillmog@sbcglobal.net [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Same here. Usually two or three. Charles Hill On 8/13/2017 12:35 PM, John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] wrote: I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts. Anyone else? _____________________________ John Kallend Professor Emeritus Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering Department of Physics IIT, Chicago

[MERLIN GARAGES]

He has developed a stutter being back in the UK and listening to all this doom and gloom about Brexit.   If Churchill had listened to the moaners then we would all be speaking German with a stiff right arm now.   David TA 0455 UK     [b]From:[/b] kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 6:35 PM [b]To:[/b] norman@frenchblat.com [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________ John Kallend Professor Emeritus Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering Department of Physics IIT, Chicago On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

[u][/u]   Bill,[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u]

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]

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[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Norman,[u][/u][u][/u]

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Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u]

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Bill [u][/u][u][/u]

TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]

Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Benny,[u][/u][u][/u]

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My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u]

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I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u]

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]

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[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Norman[u][/u][u][/u]

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  [u][/u][u][/u]

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]

Regards[u][/u][u][/u]

Benny[u][/u][u][/u]

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[Norman Verona]

Sorry chaps, it s my really poor internet connection. It s so slow it s not getting the received message back from the ISP so keeps sending until it does. I wasn t aware it was doing this so I ll stop sending emails until it s fixed.

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Merlin Garages [mailto:merlingarages@gmail.com] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 19:22 [b]To:[/b] John Kallend kallend@iit.edu>; Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

He has developed a stutter being back in the UK and listening to all this doom and gloom about Brexit.

 

If Churchill had listened to the moaners then we would all be speaking German with a stiff right arm now.

 

David

TA 0455

UK

 

 

 

[b]From:[/b] kallend@iit.edu%20[mg-tabc]

[b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 6:35 PM

[b]To:[/b] norman@frenchblat.com

[b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com

[b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else?

_____________________________

John Kallend

Professor Emeritus

Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering

Department of Physics

IIT, Chicago

 

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.

 

I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[Tweed]

It's not that much of a problem Norman that you have to stop sending them.  Tweed.  [b]From:[/b] "'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] 'Merlin Garages' merlingarages@gmail.com>; 'John Kallend' kallend@iit.edu> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 19:45 [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   Sorry chaps, it s my really poor internet connection. It s so slow it s not getting the received message back from the ISP so keeps sending until it does. I wasn t aware it was doing this so I ll stop sending emails until it s fixed.    [b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZPhone: 0044 (0)1226 728811Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]  [b]From:[/b] Merlin Garages [mailto:merlingarages@gmail.com] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 19:22 [b]To:[/b] John Kallend kallend@iit.edu>; Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield  He has developed a stutter being back in the UK and listening to all this doom and gloom about Brexit. If Churchill had listened to the moaners then we would all be speaking German with a stiff right arm now. David TA 0455UK    [b]From:[/b] kallend@iit.edu%20[mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 6:35 PM[b]To:[/b] norman@frenchblat.com [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield    I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________ John Kallend Professor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago  On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Bill, When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,  [b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZPhone: 0044 (0)1226 728811Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b] [b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield Norman, Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/  Bill TC 4926Odessa, Fl [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   Benny, My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car. I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders. [b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZPhone: 0044 (0)1226 728811Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b] [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   NormanConsider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. RegardsBenny __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15906 (20170813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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[John Davies]

Received many copies from Tweed and John Kallend Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Aug 2017, at 19:05, Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Yes, sometimes as many as three.  Tweed. [b]From:[/b] "John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 18:35 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u]   Bill,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Norman,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Bill [u][/u][u][/u]TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Benny,[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Norman[u][/u][u][/u]Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  [u][/u][u][/u]Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]Regards[u][/u][u][/u]Benny[u][/u][u][/u] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15906 (20170813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u][u][/u]

[Tweed]

I've just received yours twice!   What the _ _ _ _ is going on at Yahoo!  Tweed.  [b]From:[/b] John Davies johnadavies11@btinternet.com> [b]To:[/b] Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> [b]Cc:[/b] John Kallend kallend@iit.edu>; Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com>; "usaj24@earthlink.net" usaj24@earthlink.net>; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 21:36 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield Received many copies from Tweed and John Kallend Sent from my iPhone On 13 Aug 2017, at 19:05, Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Yes, sometimes as many as three.  Tweed. [b]From:[/b] "John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 18:35 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u]   Bill,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Norman,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Bill [u][/u][u][/u]TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Benny,[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Norman[u][/u][u][/u]Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  [u][/u][u][/u]Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]Regards[u][/u][u][/u]Benny[u][/u][u][/u] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15906 (20170813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u][u][/u]

[Robin Montgomery]

Yes.

 

Only Norman s and never less than three.

 

 

Regards

 

Robin Montgomery

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:36 PM [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else?

_____________________________

John Kallend

Professor Emeritus

Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering

Department of Physics

IIT, Chicago

 

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.

 

I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[b]From: [/b]mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent: [/b]Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:27 PM [b]To: [/b]kallend@iit.edu; norman@frenchblat.com [b]Cc: [/b]usaj24@earthlink.net; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject: [/b]RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Yes.

 

Only Norman s and never less than three.

 

 

Regards

 

Robin Montgomery

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:36 PM [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else?

_____________________________

John Kallend

Professor Emeritus

Department of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace Engineering

Department of Physics

IIT, Chicago

 

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.

 

I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[Mike Inglehearn]

I got one 5 times yesterday [b]From:[/b] "John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 19:35 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u]   Bill,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Norman,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Bill [u][/u][u][/u]TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Benny,[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Norman[u][/u][u][/u]Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  [u][/u][u][/u]Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]Regards[u][/u][u][/u]Benny[u][/u][u][/u] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15906 (20170813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u][u][/u]

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