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MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:42 am
by GaryPerser@aol.com
I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as
a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It
is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences. I'm not
surprised to hear that some of you don't like Morgans. But just because you
don't want one doesn't make them bad sports cars. I've never owned a Morgan
or even driven one, but I've always liked them. I'd never trade my TC for
one, but I'd certainly choose one over a TD. And why would anyone want two
TC's rather than a TC and a Morgan? It's like having two steaks on your
plate rather than a steak and a lobster tail (yeah, I know some don't like
lobsters OR Morgans).
I believe our cars have more in common with Morgans than differences, and
Morgan owners are a lot like us--some of them are us. How about a bit more
tolerance for other interesting sports cars? I happen to like just about
every British sports car--let's not discuss Jowett Jupiters however. And
even they are interesting, chuffing along on their twin cylinders. I also
like German, Italian, and American sports cars. I'll bet that most members
of this list have interests that range far beyond the MG T-A,B, & C that we
all love so much.
Gary Perser
TC5285
Tulsa
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 1:20 pm
by C. Knight
GaryPerser@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as
> a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It
> is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences.
I agree, but isn't it nice that the discussion has gone on without the
MG police complaining! I like all pre and early post war British sport
cars. Many are better that our MGs and many are worse. We would never
all agree on which though! One of my other cars is a 1935 BSA Scout
which was probably the inspiration for the first Morgan 4 wheeler. From
1929 BSA cut into Morgan's dominance of the 3 wheeler market with their
front wheel drive 3 wheelers and in 1935 their 4 wheeler Scout showed
how to convert to 4 wheels and compete with MG, Singer etc. Up to the
war BSA sold almost as many Scouts as TAs. After the war, seeing the
success of the TC they designed a revised Scout but only engineering
drawings exist now. Having owned a Scout for some time I can tell those
who don't know the car that it is at least as pretty as a TA, B or C and
has a super ride with its independent front suspension and fwd but the
engine power lets it down compared with the MGs. It would never have
competed with the TC on the American market.
I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars and where they
see
them relative to our hallowed TABC. Do other agree?
Best wishes
Cliff
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 3:23 pm
by Badger
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Knight"
"...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......"
Best wishes Cliff
I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it
was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know
what a Super 2 is?
The Badgerman
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 3:52 pm
by R. Zwart
I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe,
1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW
Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962 VW,
1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954 Porsche
pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i, 1970
Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988 Mercedes
E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994 Audi
S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT 225
HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years and
still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many
baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........
BOB
BADGER wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Knight"
> "...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......"
> Best wishes Cliff
>
> I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it
> was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know
> what a Super 2 is?
> The Badgerman
>
>
>
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Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 4:15 pm
by Badger
Bore-ring. (Except maybe the '54 Alfa Zagato).
Badger
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Zwart" .................
> I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe,
> 1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW
> Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962
VW,
> 1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954
Porsche
> pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i,
1970
> Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988
Mercedes
> E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994
Audi
> S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT
225
> HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years
and
> still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many
> baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........
> BOB
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 4:25 pm
by Badger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Gillam"
> The Badgerman asks:
> >Anybody here even know what a Super 2 is?
> Well, can't say I know what it is but I saw one in this month's issue of
Classic Car. Plug-ugly little thing...worse than a Daimler 250 which was
described in R & T as resembling "a great bug-eyed, swamp-living,
bottom-feeding, sludge-sucking eel". I guess they hadn't seen the Super 2
yet.
Gene
Well it grows on you. It's an aquired taste. Like Scotch. Like sushi.
Like fried eel. It does not always appeal to the catholic taste.
Badge
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:29 pm
by David Lodge
Gary,
Love Moggies and I have to agree; especially about the Jowett Jupiter! Very
interesting mechanically, but surely the ugliest car ever made?
Regards, David Lodge
> I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as
> a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It
> is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences. I'm not
> surprised to hear that some of you don't like Morgans. But just because you
> don't want one doesn't make them bad sports cars. I've never owned a Morgan
> or even driven one, but I've always liked them. I'd never trade my TC for
> one, but I'd certainly choose one over a TD. And why would anyone want two
> TC's rather than a TC and a Morgan? It's like having two steaks on your
> plate rather than a steak and a lobster tail (yeah, I know some don't like
> lobsters OR Morgans).
>
> I believe our cars have more in common with Morgans than differences, and
> Morgan owners are a lot like us--some of them are us. How about a bit more
> tolerance for other interesting sports cars? I happen to like just about
> every British sports car--let's not discuss Jowett Jupiters however. And
> even they are interesting, chuffing along on their twin cylinders. I also
> like German, Italian, and American sports cars. I'll bet that most members
> of this list have interests that range far beyond the MG T-A,B, & C that we
> all love so much.
> Gary Perser
> TC5285
> Tulsa
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:32 pm
by David Lodge
M. le Blaireau,
No, I for one have no idea, but I can scarce hold my breath waiting to find
out!
Regards, Blenkinsop (aka David Lodge)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Knight"
> "...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......"
> Best wishes Cliff
>
> I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it
> was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know
> what a Super 2 is?
> The Badgerman
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:34 pm
by David Lodge
With respect M. le B; ther is very little boring about a Porche 914 except
the engine noise,
Blenkinsop
> Bore-ring. (Except maybe the '54 Alfa Zagato).
> Badger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. Zwart" .................
>> I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe,
>> 1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW
>> Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962
> VW,
>> 1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954
> Porsche
>> pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i,
> 1970
>> Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988
> Mercedes
>> E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994
> Audi
>> S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT
> 225
>> HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years
> and
>> still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many
>> baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........
>> BOB
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Re: MG's & Morgans
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:35 pm
by Sam Suklis
OK...a few of the interesting "adventures" we've had in earlier model cars:
'32 Austin Seven Top-Hat saloon (kept it 26 years)
Four TD's, (two '51's, a '52, and a '53).
An early sixties Moretti Coupe (forgotten what year it was, but the fastest
car I ever owned),
1938 Citroen Avant type-11 shooting-brake, we kept for many years, drove it
daily. One of seven built. It still lives here in Albany.
'51 Jag MkV saloon, '51 MkV drophead, '52 XK120 coupe, XK 150 drophead,
'52 Mercedes 220a cabriolet, '53 Mercedes 300s cabriolet, '53 Mercedes 300D
4-door cabriolet,
an early Simca Oceane convertible (with body by Facel-Vega)
..and a mix of early Rovers, Austins and Morris minors of various sizes and
shapes. The most memorable being the "sleeper" Morris Minor sedan modified
by Bill Hellie to FULL Sebring Sprite specs, including the Lemans long
gears. That, and the Moretti were the only two cars I've sold because I
feared being thrown in jail if I kept them. You just can't own a car like
that and resist the impulse to stomp on it once in a while...and my luck
dictates there's ALWAYS a policeman coming around the corner at just that
moment.
Funny thing: larger "fast cars" never affected me that way. It's just the
"tiny" ones that go fast that bring out the worst impulse to go like the
wind.
Unfulfilled yen for a Morgan never realized..and after reading the recent
dialogues, I now think maybe that perhaps that's just as well.
The Ghia convertible and the TD are still in residence, as we eagerly await
the arrival of the '49 TC, still not here. (sigh)
Sam.
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From: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net>
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Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG's & Morgans
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Gillam"
> > The Badgerman asks:
> > >Anybody here even know what a Super 2 is? >
> > Well, can't say I know what it is but I saw one in this month's issue of
> Classic Car. Plug-ugly little thing...worse than a Daimler 250 which was
> described in R & T as resembling "a great bug-eyed, swamp-living,
> bottom-feeding, sludge-sucking eel". I guess they hadn't seen the Super 2
> yet.
> Gene
>
> Well it grows on you. It's an aquired taste. Like Scotch. Like sushi.
> Like fried eel. It does not always appeal to the catholic taste.
> Badge
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