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Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:24 am
by Mark Sellick
Hi All,
wrt the thread on silicone brake fluid, when my Dad (sadly no longer with us) changed TC1459's brakes over about eight years ago, he had to have the master cylinder piston machined down by 50thou, due to the brakes binding on problem. No problems since, and no brake seizing during periods of inactivity. At the time, we heard that the binding problem could be caused by using a system that originally had glycol fluid without fitting new seals.
More recently, I changed my '72 BGT over to silicone. Also fitted all new lines, hoses, master cylinder, calipers etc, and no binding. But I do have a problem in that the brake light switch seems to fail, so that over a period of time (about 15 months) I need to hit the brakes harder for the lights to come on. Any ideas on why? Perhaps I should just fit a mechanical switch a la TC!!!
Regards,
Mark
TC1459
Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:22 am
by Frank O_ The Mountain
In a message dated 12/13/01 05:25:26 Pacific Standard Time,
mark_sellick@mrifast.net writes:
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This is a common problem Mark.....the silicone gets past the seal in the
switch and contaminates the switch contacts. We learned a long time ago in
the heavy electrical industry that you cannot use silicone based insulations
around any thing that sparks.....like commutators.
Go to Napa and try one of their switches.....or try Skip Kelsey. I put one
of Skips switches in my Arnolt about two years ago and not problems to
date......its a matter of switch quality.
Terry
Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:53 am
by Ray
>
so
> that over a period of time (about 15 months>
This is a problem I have had in changing over some of my cars as well. I
think it has to do with switch design/construction, since once a new switch
is installed, the problem never re-occurs.
Some cars, such as the Jags, never seem to have the problem.
And by the bye, I found out why anti-lock systems many times are not
silicone friendly- it is because of the cyclic rate of the sensing system.
Since the silicone is just the smallest amount more viscous, the anti-skid
is interfered with to the extent that some problems develop.
'Course, we don't have anti-lock on these cars.........at least not the auto
type....
Best,
Ray
Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:05 am
by Skip Kelsey
At 01:23 PM 12/13/01 +0000, Mark Sellick wrote:
>I need to hit the brakes harder for the lights to come on. Any ideas on
>why? Perhaps I should just fit a mechanical switch a la TC!!!
Mark:
The switch on your MGB is mechanical in nature. It is not affected by what
fluid you have. More than likely, your problem is inferior switch. There
are some on the market, I think made by Intermotor, that are not good
quality. I had the same problem on my 69 GT, and went thru several switches
until I installed a Lucas switch. Have not had a problem for the past five
years.
Skip Kelsey.........................................................
Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:29 pm
by DougPulver@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/2001 8:06:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kelsey@shadetreemotors.com writes:
until I installed a Lucas switch. Have not had a problem for the past five
years.
Skip,
Go figure that a Lucas item would actually solve a problem.
Doug
Silicone Brake Fluid
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:29 am
by Peter Roberts
Leaves
FWIW, I note that several listers are using silicone and have not flushed their system for several years. Follows a portion of my reply to Jack Emdall that may be instructive:
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It's great stuff, but it's not foolproof.
_Peter
TC0604
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Silicone brake fluid
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:27 pm
by Michael DeRentz
Jack,
Sorry to jump in so late. Put me down for another pro silicone vote. 16 years and no problems. The only system in the car that doesn't leak!
Sincerely,
Michael DeRentz
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silicone brake fluid
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:31 am
by Jim and Shirley Mink
In a former life I was involved with the preperation of military vehicles for long term storage. One of the first things we did was to purge the brakes and replace the DOT 3 fluid with silicone fluid. Some of these vehicles then sat for periods of up to five years under all manner of adverse conditions. There was never any problem with the brakes! To the best of my knowledge, the British Ministry of Defense follows essentially the same procedure. Jim, TC 8970
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Silicone brake fluid
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:58 pm
by BUD SILVERS
Hello all;
Why not simply weld a small fitting (similar to the oil pressure line size) to the reservoir and run a line up under the instrument panel where there would be little moisture. The system would still be vented, but the opening would be in a relatively dry place. One could even run the fitting into a can with a large diameter (volume) diaphragm and make it a sealed system.
I have owned cars (many antiques) with hydraulic brakes for almost 50 years and have rarely had brake fluid related problems. I use regular fluid. I don’t anticipate any problems since my car will be driven regularly year round. Yes, I live in Colorado and No I will not have a heater.
Bud Silvers
TC 1576 – Low n slo in the Black Forest of Colorado……
Re: Silicone brake fluid
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:05 pm
by Clive Sherriff
Exactly what I suggested in my previous posting. Clive, Oxford UK ----------------------------------------------------
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Hello all; Why not simply weld a small fitting (similar to the oil pressure line size) to the reservoir and run a line up under the instrument panel where there would be little moisture. The system would still be vented, but the opening would be in a relatively dry place. One could even run the fitting into a can with a large diameter (volume) diaphragm and make it a sealed system. I have owned cars (many antiques) with hydraulic brakes for almost 50 years and have rarely had brake fluid related problems. I use regular fluid. I don t anticipate any problems since my car will be driven regularly year round. Yes, I live in Colorado and No I will not have a heater. Bud Silvers TC 1576 Low n slo in the Black Forest of Colorado