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Badger's Questions
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2001 9:34 pm
by Wiedemeyer
"Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left the
factory are still on it.
"Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be either
original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts, then the
car is "original" AND "fully restored".
Why would you think these two concepts are mutually exclusive?!......maybe a
short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
Bob
>How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time? These
>two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
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Re: Badger's Questions
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2001 9:58 pm
by Want1937hd@aol.com
No, not another go round of Semamtics 101 ! An "Original" collector car is intouched,as it left the factory, too good to restore and equal in some cases to the value of a "Restored" car. A "Restored" car that meets the specs of a car as built is a "Correct Restoration" Bob TC4956
"Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left the
factory are still on it.
"Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be either
original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts, then the
car is "original" AND "fully restored".
Why would you think these two concepts are mutually exclusive?!......maybe a
short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
Bob
>How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time? These
>two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
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>The Badger
Re: Badger's Questions
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:48 am
by Ray McCrary
"Original" usually means it is now a pile of rust.
"Originally restored" means it is now completely made in Japan, Taiwan, a
few bits in Britain, some out of the US, Aussie and NZ content with German
sparkplugs. All over-chromed and painted to a color somewhat reminiscent of
what the factory might have used had sufficient recreational drugs been
available. Entire vehicle is then polished with BS to a high gloss.
"Ground up Restoration" usually means what it sounds like: a lot of the
original car was ground up, swept up, and thrown out to be replaced by the
aforementioned Taiwanese parts.
All with tongue firmly in cheek.
Ray McCrary
"Speed is Life;
of course Luck and Altitude
are helpful, too."
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From: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>
To: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> "Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left the
> factory are still on it.
> "Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
> repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be either
> original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts, then the
> car is "original" AND "fully restored".
> Why would you think these two concepts are mutually exclusive?!......maybe
a
> short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
>
> Bob
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> >How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time? These
> >two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
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Re: Badger's Questions
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:38 am
by Badger
Many thanks Ray for clearing those issues up for me. I now feel informed
and enlightened. If I might only impose upon you for one more question,
what is the exact meaning of the phrase "frame-off restoration", esp. when
applied to a recently advertised Bugeye Sprite?
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From: "Ray McCrary" spook01@home.com>
To: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>; "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> "Original" usually means it is now a pile of rust.
> "Originally restored" means it is now completely made in Japan, Taiwan, a
> few bits in Britain, some out of the US, Aussie and NZ content with German
> sparkplugs. All over-chromed and painted to a color somewhat reminiscent
of
> what the factory might have used had sufficient recreational drugs been
> available. Entire vehicle is then polished with BS to a high gloss.
> "Ground up Restoration" usually means what it sounds like: a lot of the
> original car was ground up, swept up, and thrown out to be replaced by the
> aforementioned Taiwanese parts.
> All with tongue firmly in cheek.
> Ray McCrary
> "Speed is Life;
> of course Luck and Altitude
> are helpful, too."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>
> To: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:34 PM
> Subject: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
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> > "Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left the
> > factory are still on it.
> > "Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
> > repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be either
> > original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts, then
the
> > car is "original" AND "fully restored".
> > Why would you think these two concepts are mutually
exclusive?!......maybe
> a
> > short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > >How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time?
These
> > >two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
> > >
> > >The Badger
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Re: Badger's Questions
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:52 am
by Ray McCrary
Pishtosh! That's easy. It is where the body shell of the rusted out Bugeye
is bolted to a frame where it is free to rotate while being cut apart, so as
to be renewed using the inevitable Chinese parts.....
When the car has been cut into small pieces, the frame is unbolted from the
remains. Hence, "frame off". Later comes the "frame on".
Best,
Ray McCrary
"Speed is Life;
of course Luck and Altitude
are helpful, too."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Ray McCrary" spook01@home.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> Many thanks Ray for clearing those issues up for me. I now feel informed
> and enlightened. If I might only impose upon you for one more question,
> what is the exact meaning of the phrase "frame-off restoration", esp. when
> applied to a recently advertised Bugeye Sprite?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray McCrary" spook01@home.com>
> To: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>; "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
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> > "Original" usually means it is now a pile of rust.
> > "Originally restored" means it is now completely made in Japan, Taiwan,
a
> > few bits in Britain, some out of the US, Aussie and NZ content with
German
> > sparkplugs. All over-chromed and painted to a color somewhat
reminiscent
> of
> > what the factory might have used had sufficient recreational drugs been
> > available. Entire vehicle is then polished with BS to a high gloss.
> > "Ground up Restoration" usually means what it sounds like: a lot of the
> > original car was ground up, swept up, and thrown out to be replaced by
the
> > aforementioned Taiwanese parts.
> > All with tongue firmly in cheek.
> > Ray McCrary
> > "Speed is Life;
> > of course Luck and Altitude
> > are helpful, too."
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>
> > To: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> > Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:34 PM
> > Subject: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
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> > > "Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left the
> > > factory are still on it.
> > > "Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
> > > repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be either
> > > original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts, then
> the
> > > car is "original" AND "fully restored".
> > > Why would you think these two concepts are mutually
> exclusive?!......maybe
> > a
> > > short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > >How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time?
> These
> > > >two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
> > > >
> > > >The Badger
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Re: Badger's Questions
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 12:04 pm
by paulhuck@bellsouth.net
I thought that meant a 240Z fame has been added to the steering box and
brake drums in the 'restoration' process. The term should be 'body off' (of
the frame) but as Gallager says."We use the phrase 'back and forth' How can
you go back before you go forth?"
I don't think 'original and 'fully restored' and mutually exclusive. Only
one of them is exclusive. Like only one of the legs of a duck is different,
the other is the same. Our language is full of inherent conflicts.
PTH
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From: Ray McCrary spook01@home.com>
To: Badger mrbadger@home.com>; MG-TABC mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> Pishtosh! That's easy. It is where the body shell of the rusted out Bugeye
> is bolted to a frame where it is free to rotate while being cut apart, so
as
> to be renewed using the inevitable Chinese parts.....
> When the car has been cut into small pieces, the frame is unbolted from
the
> remains. Hence, "frame off". Later comes the "frame on".
> Best,
> Ray McCrary
> "Speed is Life;
> of course Luck and Altitude
> are helpful, too."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Ray McCrary" spook01@home.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
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>
> > Many thanks Ray for clearing those issues up for me. I now feel
informed
> > and enlightened. If I might only impose upon you for one more question,
> > what is the exact meaning of the phrase "frame-off restoration", esp.
when
> > applied to a recently advertised Bugeye Sprite?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray McCrary" spook01@home.com>
> > To: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>; "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> > Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> >
> >
> > > "Original" usually means it is now a pile of rust.
> > > "Originally restored" means it is now completely made in Japan,
Taiwan,
> a
> > > few bits in Britain, some out of the US, Aussie and NZ content with
> German
> > > sparkplugs. All over-chromed and painted to a color somewhat
> reminiscent
> > of
> > > what the factory might have used had sufficient recreational drugs
been
> > > available. Entire vehicle is then polished with BS to a high gloss.
> > > "Ground up Restoration" usually means what it sounds like: a lot of
the
> > > original car was ground up, swept up, and thrown out to be replaced by
> the
> > > aforementioned Taiwanese parts.
> > > All with tongue firmly in cheek.
> > > Ray McCrary
> > > "Speed is Life;
> > > of course Luck and Altitude
> > > are helpful, too."
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wiedemeyer" boxweed@thebest.net>
> > > To: "Badger" mrbadger@home.com>
> > > Cc: "MG-T List # 2" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:34 PM
> > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Badger's Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Original" means that the parts that were on the car when it left
the
> > > > factory are still on it.
> > > > "Fully restored" means that the parts that are on the car have been
> > > > repainted/refinished to make them look like new. These can be
either
> > > > original parts or replacement parts. If they are original parts,
then
> > the
> > > > car is "original" AND "fully restored".
> > > > Why would you think these two concepts are mutually
> > exclusive?!......maybe
> > > a
> > > > short course in Philosophy 102 (logic) would help you!
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > >How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time?
> > These
> > > > >two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive.
> > > > >
> > > > >The Badger
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