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				decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:19 am
				by Van Malder Harry
				          Dear list members
 I spoke to my father, the one who will help me to  put the ta i'm going to buy in a good shape.He is a 80 years old mechanic,( but  with the minds of a 20 years old) who used to maintain agricultural vehicles  just passing the war, same decade as our tabc.
 He remembers that at that time. for decarbonaising  engines, they used a product( English or American) with the name Bardahl or  bhardal: This was an additive to the oil, When used into the oil as a  preservative for carbonaising, and to clean the cylinder head, just put it into  the gasoline.
 Of corse, when you add it to the oil, the oil  becomes very quickly very black, and you have to change the oil after 600  miles.
 He also asks me, before starting the future work of  restoring, if the original TA engine ( wich is named cpjg or xpag, sorry when I  am wrong)if there is no other name for it. 
 He claims that the engines he used to restore and  renew( he don't know these abreviations) were the same as these in our mg's and  they were  made by Continental or Standard., or another one wich he doesn't  remember.Can anyone confirm this?
 Thanks a lot
 HARRY
  
			 
			
					
				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:56 am
				by sculptart@aol.com
				Harry, 
    In my reading of the MG history, I have found the early engines for Morris Motors were supplied by Continental Motor Manufacturing Co. of Detroit Michigan. This was in 1914. Due to difficulities in World War One, and the disruption of shipping between the US and England, the final quanity of these engines were used in 1918. 
    A similar engine, produced in England, was used from that time forward, based in part on the Continental engine design. Look in the special files on the MG-TABC site and you will find an excellent engine article by Neil Cairns. 
    My best, Ben 
 
			 
			
					
				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:09 pm
				by Ray
				          Bardahl produced additives for fuel, oil, and  coolant along with various cleaners.  We used them in the 60-70's.   Don't know if the company went under, or just got sold off. I used to drive a Corvette Gasser in the drags  that was named "Mr. Bardahl" and was sponsored by the company. Best, Ray   
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   Dear list members   I spoke to my father, the one who will help me to    put the ta i'm going to buy in a good shape.He is a 80 years old mechanic,(    but with the minds of a 20 years old) who used to maintain agricultural    vehicles just passing the war, same decade as our tabc.   He remembers that at that time. for    decarbonaising engines, they used a product( English or American) with the    name Bardahl or bhardal: This was an additive to the oil, When used into the    oil as a preservative for carbonaising, and to clean the cylinder head, just    put it into the gasoline.   Of corse, when you add it to the oil, the oil    becomes very quickly very black, and you have to change the oil after 600    miles.   He also asks me, before starting the future work    of restoring, if the original TA engine ( wich is named cpjg or xpag, sorry    when I am wrong)if there is no other name for it.    He claims that the engines he used to restore and    renew( he don't know these abreviations) were the same as these in our mg's    and they were made by Continental or Standard., or another one wich he    doesn't remember.Can anyone confirm this?   Thanks a lot   HARRY
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				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:18 pm
				by Want1937hd@aol.com
				"Miss Bardahl" was a a racing Hydroplane. Non EC4856
 
 << Bardahl produced additives for fuel, oil, and coolant along with various 
 cleaners.  We used them in the 60-70's.  Don't know if the company went 
 under, or just got sold off.
  I used to drive a Corvette Gasser in the drags that was named "Mr. Bardahl" 
 and was sponsored by the company.
  Best,
  Ray   >>
 
			 
			
					
				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:21 pm
				by Want1937hd@aol.com
				Screwed up the last sign off, sorry. Bob TC4956
 
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				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:27 pm
				by Want1937hd@aol.com
				Ray, What did the Corvette turn? The "U.S.Mule II" 1952 MG-TD with a blown 
 392 Hemi turned low 10's. After my TC is finished I'll get back on that 
 restoration. Bob TC4956
 
			 
			
					
				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:37 pm
				by Ray
				It's been a long time guys!  I think we were in the mid to high 10's.....
 My Tiger turns a 12 flat with a very tractable 302 and street tires now!
 Remember when the 8's low 7's were top fuel territory??
 Best,
 Ray
 
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 > Ray, What did the Corvette turn? The "U.S.Mule II" 1952 MG-TD with a blown
 > 392 Hemi turned low 10's. After my TC is finished I'll get back on that
 > restoration. Bob TC4956
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				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:46 pm
				by Ray
				Mr. Bardahl was a corvette!  Black and green/yellow!
 Best,
 Ray
 
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 > Screwed up the last sign off, sorry. Bob TC4956
 >
 >   "Miss Bardahl" was a a racing Hydroplane. Non EC4856
 >
 >    cleaners.  We used them in the 60-70's.  Don't know if the company went
 >  under, or just got sold off.
 >   I used to drive a Corvette Gasser in the drags that was named "Mr.
 Bardahl"
 >  and was sponsored by the company.
 >   Best,
 >   Ray   >>
 >
 >    >>
 > 
 
			 
			
					
				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:49 pm
				by Robert Kampas
				          Ollie  Bardahl was a legendary figure in the sport of unlimited hydroplane racing in  the days when these boats were powered by piston driven aircraft engines like  the ones used in P51 fighters and others. His son and son in law I believe were  killed driving unlimited boats on the same day on Lake Washington (Seattle area)  after which he stopped sponsoring these boats.  His company is located in  Ballard just outside Seattle and is know as the Bardahl Manufacturing  Company.  The original large wooden "Bardahl" sign is still to be seen  on the old building.  They apparently still produce a line of products one  of which is called "Motor Flush".  Don't touch the stuff myself  - .  Chech out the web site www.bardahl.com .    Regards,   Bob  Kampas   [quote]   -----Original Message-----
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   Bardahl produced additives for fuel, oil, and    coolant along with various cleaners.  We used them in the 60-70's.     Don't know if the company went under, or just got sold off.   I used to drive a Corvette Gasser in the drags    that was named "Mr. Bardahl" and was sponsored by the company.   Best,   Ray          ----- Original Message -----      [b]From:[/b]      
harryvan@eresmas.com      [b]To:[/b] 
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com      [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:24      AM     [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] decarbonaising      engines     
     Dear list members     I spoke to my father, the one who will help me      to put the ta i'm going to buy in a good shape.He is a 80 years old      mechanic,( but with the minds of a 20 years old) who used to maintain      agricultural vehicles just passing the war, same decade as our      tabc.     He remembers that at that time. for      decarbonaising engines, they used a product( English or American) with the      name Bardahl or bhardal: This was an additive to the oil, When used into the      oil as a preservative for carbonaising, and to clean the cylinder head, just      put it into the gasoline.     Of corse, when you add it to the oil, the oil      becomes very quickly very black, and you have to change the oil after 600      miles.     He also asks me, before starting the future      work of restoring, if the original TA engine ( wich is named cpjg or xpag,      sorry when I am wrong)if there is no other name for it.      He claims that the engines he used to restore      and renew( he don't know these abreviations) were the same as these in our      mg's and they were made by Continental or Standard., or another one      wich he doesn't remember.Can anyone confirm this?     Thanks a lot     HARRY
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				Re: decarbonaising engines
				Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:14 pm
				by Want1937hd@aol.com
				Bob, Thank you for sharing that information. This is one of the great things 
 about being "on line" you get to pick up a lot of info on different things 
 you have an intrest in. Bob TC 4956
 
 www.bardahl.com .
  
  Regards,
  
  Bob Kampas >>