Wilsons Sandbox

>I am at the stage of having a few bits of TC6132

----- Original Message ----- From: diecuts@aol.com> To: dairwin_2000@yahoo.com>; mg-tabc@egroups.com> Cc: Diecuts@aol.com>; Drcsloan@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > DAI, > > $320 seems like a very reasonable amount to make the Gas tank, end plates, > and spare tire carrier 'decent' again. > > First they are stripped of old paint, which most of us do ourselves.and metal > prepped. But then comes: > 1. A prep or epoxy coat to establish a barrier against rust, 2 hrs > 2. Incidental polyester fillers to remove minor pits and waves. 1 > hr > 3. Primer acrylic coats- at least three double coats 2 hrs > 4. Sanding of above till smooth with minor filler 5 hrs > 5. Apply acrylic sealer coat and let dry 1 hr > 6. Apply colour coat and let dry- 2-3 coats of acrylic enamel. 2 > hrs > 7. Colour sand 2 hrs > 8. Glaze and polish-tank with power, mostly by hand with tire rack. 4 hrs > 9. Add in paint, sandpaper, polish, sealers, to the 19 hrs at $15 per hour > (cheap!) plus a little profit for incentive and you have a bargain!! How > much does it cost to paint a 'T' series car these days? I'm talking a nice, > presentable paint job. Around $15,000 from white metal to > read-the-wattage-in-the-light-bulb-shine sound about right? I do my own > painting and still spend at least $2000 in materials etc not counting endless > hours of time and patience....On the Jag lists, $15,000 to paint a XK120 is > considered cheap! And they only have to paint the side that shows!....... > > Cheers, > > Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TA2969 , TC 780 > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McCombs" loadcel4@infinet.com> To: mg-tabc@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > OK, I'll buy the $320 for the tank and parts... But $15 grand to paint an > MG? > People may pay that but it shouldn't make it the norm. Thats simply > ridiculous. > Find a small shop to do the work, see some examples, etc. A good quality > small outfit > will charge by the job, not the hours. If nothing else, get a copy of TD > restoration and buy a gun and compressor, Ill guarantee that the quality of > even a cheap set and acrylic Dupont is many times the grade of pre/post-war > Abingdon. > Good God, how could a car worth $20k in excellent quality justify a $15,000 > PAINT job? > Enter the hobby killers. > Mark TC8126 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: diecuts@aol.com> > To: dairwin_2000@yahoo.com>; mg-tabc@egroups.com> > Cc: Diecuts@aol.com>; Drcsloan@aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > > > > DAI, > > > > $320 seems like a very reasonable amount to make the Gas tank, end > plates, > > and spare tire carrier 'decent' again. > > > > First they are stripped of old paint, which most of us do ourselves.and > metal > > prepped. But then comes: > > 1. A prep or epoxy coat to establish a barrier against rust, 2 > hrs > > 2. Incidental polyester fillers to remove minor pits and waves. > 1 > > hr > > 3. Primer acrylic coats- at least three double coats 2 > hrs > > 4. Sanding of above till smooth with minor filler 5 > hrs > > 5. Apply acrylic sealer coat and let dry 1 > hr > > 6. Apply colour coat and let dry- 2-3 coats of acrylic enamel. > 2 > > hrs > > 7. Colour sand 2 hrs > > 8. Glaze and polish-tank with power, mostly by hand with tire rack. 4 > hrs > > 9. Add in paint, sandpaper, polish, sealers, to the 19 hrs at $15 per > hour > > (cheap!) plus a little profit for incentive and you have a bargain!! How > > much does it cost to paint a 'T' series car these days? I'm talking a > nice, > > presentable paint job. Around $15,000 from white metal to > > read-the-wattage-in-the-light-bulb-shine sound about right? I do my own > > painting and still spend at least $2000 in materials etc not counting > endless > > hours of time and patience....On the Jag lists, $15,000 to paint a XK120 > is > > considered cheap! And they only have to paint the side that shows!....... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TA2969 , TC 780 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Ray McCrary spook01@home.com> To: mg-tabc@egroups.com>; Mark McCombs loadcel4@infinet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > Hi Guys, > 15 large for paint is what is known as "over restoration", unless the car is > a junker. These are not art objects! > Kimber would no doubt get a laugh out of the "PERFECT MG" concept! > Drive 'em! > Best, > Ray McCrary > "Speed is Life; > of course Luck and Altitude > are helpful, too." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark McCombs" loadcel4@infinet.com> > To: mg-tabc@egroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > > > > OK, I'll buy the $320 for the tank and parts... But $15 grand to paint an > > MG? > > People may pay that but it shouldn't make it the norm. Thats simply > > ridiculous. > > Find a small shop to do the work, see some examples, etc. A good quality > > small outfit > > will charge by the job, not the hours. If nothing else, get a copy of TD > > restoration and buy a gun and compressor, Ill guarantee that the quality > of > > even a cheap set and acrylic Dupont is many times the grade of > pre/post-war > > Abingdon. > > Good God, how could a car worth $20k in excellent quality justify a > $15,000 > > PAINT job? > > Enter the hobby killers. > > Mark TC8126 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: diecuts@aol.com> > > To: dairwin_2000@yahoo.com>; mg-tabc@egroups.com> > > Cc: Diecuts@aol.com>; Drcsloan@aol.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > > > > > > > DAI, > > > > > > $320 seems like a very reasonable amount to make the Gas tank, end > > plates, > > > and spare tire carrier 'decent' again. > > > > > > First they are stripped of old paint, which most of us do ourselves.and > > metal > > > prepped. But then comes: > > > 1. A prep or epoxy coat to establish a barrier against rust, > 2 > > hrs > > > 2. Incidental polyester fillers to remove minor pits and waves. > > 1 > > > hr > > > 3. Primer acrylic coats- at least three double coats > 2 > > hrs > > > 4. Sanding of above till smooth with minor filler > 5 > > hrs > > > 5. Apply acrylic sealer coat and let dry > 1 > > hr > > > 6. Apply colour coat and let dry- 2-3 coats of acrylic enamel. > > 2 > > > hrs > > > 7. Colour sand 2 > hrs > > > 8. Glaze and polish-tank with power, mostly by hand with tire rack. > 4 > > hrs > > > 9. Add in paint, sandpaper, polish, sealers, to the 19 hrs at $15 per > > hour > > > (cheap!) plus a little profit for incentive and you have a bargain!! > How > > > much does it cost to paint a 'T' series car these days? I'm talking a > > nice, > > > presentable paint job. Around $15,000 from white metal to > > > read-the-wattage-in-the-light-bulb-shine sound about right? I do my > own > > > painting and still spend at least $2000 in materials etc not counting > > endless > > > hours of time and patience....On the Jag lists, $15,000 to paint a XK120 > > is > > > considered cheap! And they only have to paint the side that > shows!....... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TA2969 , TC 780 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I agree with you that $15,000 sounds excessive, but > I am talking about a > complete paint job where the owner drives in, leaves > the car, comes back > several months later to admire the job and pick up > the pieces to re-assemble > back on the frame. The owner receives monthly > updates on progress and the > bills for work done. As mentioned in 'TCs Forever', > the car is stripped, > minor dings repaired, re-assembled in bare metal to > establish fit, then taken > apart and given the 10 step process to make both > sides of each piece as new > or better. Preparation is 90% of the job. Details > such as correctly > painting body colour the heads of the bolts that > secure the splash pan are > dealt with. Blemishes are sanded out and > repainted as necessary. If you > do the prep, don't expect a guarantee from the > painter who charges a thou or > so to lay the final colour paint on. Unless > previously agreed and discussed, > the painter has no clue on what he is spraying over. > Are your primers > compatible? Did you use the proper polyesters and > sealers? Will the colour > lift in 2 months? Today's paints are designed as > systems from start to > finish and can be dangerous to apply. External air > supply is a must > (positive pressure in an enclosed headpiece and > suit) as cynates are nasty. > A proper paint job will last 30+ years and still > look as new. Sanding marks, > small chips, and other deterioration from poor > preparation will stay hidden > for 1-3 years under the colour, then show up later. > If an owner does good > prep and bodywork, and will colorsand and polish, > $2000 for applying a > 'paint job' is possible. Figure 6-8 gallons of > paint, epoxy hardeners, & > primers sprayed on (and most sanded off) at $50 per > gallon plus other > materials. Ever wonder why so many cars are out > there for years in primer? > The owner can always say it is a 'work-in-progress' > thus avoiding the paint > issue altogether, meanwhile still enjoying the > ride..... > Excuse the length... > Cheers, > Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn,MI TA2969, TC780 > > > >

>Dear all, > >Before the discussion drifts too much, my original >question related to my surprise at a quote for 220 >pounds to spray a tank. The chap I showed the tank >to, could see something I hadn't mentioned - the tank >is new from MOSS, and the end plates are also new and >in chrome finish. The spare tyre mount is still >painted, but the quote assumed I would get that >blasted first. > >Anyway, I appreciate the inputs. I wish to have the >tank (the only new part that needs spraying) to match >the existing car. In the future (after I get some >enjoyment of driving it at last) I will consider a >full restoration, but for now I am working to get it >up to MOT standard for the government test, and not a >full restoration. > >Regards, > >DAI

----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Joyce Edgar" djedgar@pacbell.net> To: "T-ABC list" mg-tabc@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] UK painters > With an appology to DAI, I am now posting this message to the group. > I in error only replied to him and now he will get it twice. > > DAI, > > You didn't mention you had a new Moss tank in your first message. > When I was rear ended in October of 1999 I was fitted with a new Moss > tank. The first tank leaked (actually a very, very slow ooze) at > most the weld joints. A replacement from Moss also leaked when > pressure tested and was repaired at a radiator shop and then double > slosh coated inside just to make sure it didn't leak. The > craftsmanship was terrible and took quite a bit of bondo to hide all > the metal warpage. Mike Goodman did all the work and after > complaining to Moss with great vigor received the second tank free. > They admitted they had many complaints from customers. Before > spending money to paint, test for leaks or the paint will blister off > after a few months. I would slosh the tank also. > > The mounting brackets on the new tank that the end plates screw onto > need to be checked also. They were a little off and slightly short > of accepting the end plate bolts. Mike welded nuts into posititon to > solve this if I remember correctly. I would assemble it all on the > car before you take to the painters to see if it all lines up. The > new end caps I got were on the tight side but worked. > > Good luck with a possible Pandoras Box (Tank) > > David Edgar, TC 5108 > La Mesa, California > > > >Dear all, > > > >Before the discussion drifts too much, my original > >question related to my surprise at a quote for 220 > >pounds to spray a tank. The chap I showed the tank > >to, could see something I hadn't mentioned - the tank > >is new from MOSS, and the end plates are also new and > >in chrome finish. The spare tyre mount is still > >painted, but the quote assumed I would get that > >blasted first. > > > >Anyway, I appreciate the inputs. I wish to have the > >tank (the only new part that needs spraying) to match > >the existing car. In the future (after I get some > >enjoyment of driving it at last) I will consider a > >full restoration, but for now I am working to get it > >up to MOT standard for the government test, and not a > >full restoration. > > > >Regards, > > > >DAI > > > >