TD - Off subject

[Donald Wilkinson]

Exactly. Who knows what damage would be caused by these mindless brute force methods, loose parts knocked adrift, etc. Sounds like pure laziness to me not to address this problem properly, in this case, far from brain surgery. Don TC 7993

>From: Tombutlercpa@cs.com >To: i.thomson@talk21.com, clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com, DENKLEMM@aol.com, > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, chiphelli@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TD - Off subject >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:32:13 EDT > >With reguard to the stuck cluch, most of the cluch/brake solutions do sound >dangereous. Is not cluch damaged anyway? Why not pull trans & rebuild >cluch? > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Hugh: Depends on how stuck. There's stuck and REALLY stuck. I'd sure wanna look in there. Don TC 7993

>From: Jennifer and Hugh Pite jenntoo@shaw.ca> >To: Tombutlercpa@cs.com >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TD - Off subject >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:02:08 -0700 > >Hi Tom, it is very unlikely that the clutch will be damaged. The process >of >jacking up the rear of the car and driving the wheels is safe provided good >blocking is used. For added safety remove the rear road wheels. The reason >not to pull the trans and rebuild the clutch is that it is a relatively >big >job and totally unnecessary. To unstick a clutch should take a very short >time (5 or 10 min.). > Regards, Hugh >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tombutlercpa@cs.com> > > > > > With reguard to the stuck cluch, most of the cluch/brake solutions do >sound > > dangereous. Is not cluch damaged anyway? Why not pull trans & rebuild >cluch? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Frank O_ The Mountain]

In a message dated 5/28/02 19:23:40 Pacific Daylight Time, digitaldon@hotmail.com writes: >>

[Charles Hill]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Starting a T in gear is no big deal as long as the battery has enough power to turn the starter. I've done this with several cars with clutch linkage problems with no lasting effects. The question is to why is the clutch stuck. If the clutch was working properly before being stored for an extended period, then it is more than likely that one of the previously mentioned techniques will free the clutch. What has happened is that the organic material in the clutch disk have absorbed moisture and that moisture has caused the flywheel to rust on the surface. This rust is what is bonding the flywheel and the driven disk. Once it is popped loose, everything should be back to normal. May be a little grabby at first, though. BTDT! If it happens all of a sudden in a normally operating car, thats a different story. I had a clutch release finger snap in my TC and jam the clutch at a stop sign. That was a big deal. I'm just thankful that it only damaged the clutch and didn't hurt the flywheel or bellhousing. Regards, Charles Hillh

[Sam Suklis]

..For what it's worth, guys: Our '32 Austin Seven sat for 26 years, giving it time to get it's clutch good and stuck. Chip Hellie's method popped it loose on the first try. No damage, no problems since. That was a good 8 years ago, it's still being driven regularly, nothing's fallen off it. Don't know if that's "apples and oranges", i.e; whether the TD's clutch is that different from the Austin's. But one of our earlier TD's years ago did the same thing, after a long hibernation, and, again, the "Hellie" method worked just fine. Regards to all, Sam Suklis SS

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TD - Off subject > I don't see what all the fuss is about. Starting a T in gear is no big > deal as long as the battery has enough power to turn the starter. I've > done this with several cars with clutch linkage problems with no lasting > effects. > > The question is to why is the clutch stuck. If the clutch was working > properly before being stored for an extended period, then it is more > than likely that one of the previously mentioned techniques will free > the clutch. What has happened is that the organic material in the > clutch disk have absorbed moisture and that moisture has caused the > flywheel to rust on the surface. This rust is what is bonding the > flywheel and the driven disk. Once it is popped loose, everything > should be back to normal. May be a little grabby at first, though. > BTDT! > > If it happens all of a sudden in a normally operating car, thats a > different story. I had a clutch release finger snap in my TC and jam > the clutch at a stop sign. That was a big deal. I'm just thankful that > it only damaged the clutch and didn't hurt the flywheel or bellhousing. > > Regards, > Charles Hillh > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[i.thomson@talk21.com]

I have done the lift the rear wheels and stamp on the brakes trick often with no detrimental effects before I learned to lay it up with the clutch depressed. The bang sounds bad but I suppose that clutches have to take a lot during their working lives anyway. Ian T. ---------

> With regard to the stuck cluch, most of the cluch/brake solutions do sound >dangereous. Is not cluch damaged anyway? Why not pull trans & rebuild cluch?

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[Clive Sherriff]

>>>Exactly. Who knows what damage would be caused by these mindless brute

force methods, loose parts knocked adrift, etc. Sounds like pure laziness to me not to address this problem properly, in this case, far from brain surgery. Don TC 7993 As a professional restorer I would much prefer to spend a couple days stripping it down and writing a wopping great bill, but I guess I'm a lousy businessman and I'd take the practical solution in the first instance. So far I've never known it not to work if done properly. However next time your clutch sticks call me and we'll arrange to take the engine out and fix it "properly" !!! Regards Clive

[Clive Sherriff]

Chip Im not missing any points at all the missing bits are with you and that text isnt mine! Its not me that has a stuck clutch - and Ive freed more stuck clutches by my jack up rear wheel method than most T Typers have had hot dinners. I would not take a car with a stuck clutch onto the road. Regards Clive ================================== Chip Hellie chiphelli@yahoo.com> write

>>>>Clive, I'm not missing the point, You have a stuck

clutch clutch and I can unstick it for you with no hassel. First, start the engine and warm it up. next, shut it off, put the car in say 2nd { 1st is usually on the verge of exploding so avoid) Then, with the clutch pedal pushed down, turn key, pull starter and off you'll go. Your just being paranoid about thr starter, but if you seek comfort, have someone help push the car to start. I find if you hit the brakes, the car will just die, unless you have 3 legs and can push the clutch, add brakes and have gas on @ the same time. Just nail the throttle on and off rapidly and use all the might of your mighty 1250 to jerk the clutch loose. I forgot to mention it doesn't hurt to have a couple of Large Chicks in the back and a slight incline helps. All jokeing aside, It will work. I should know. I've done it more than once Chip Hellie 46 TC, 49TC, 3 MGA's, 2 MGB's, 2 Aston Martins, 2 Jag XK 120's, Jag E conv. and so on and so on......--- Clive Sherriff clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> You're missing the point - the clutch is stuck! All > you get > from your idea is a bent starter motor shaft > > Clive > ============================ > > >>>Dennis, > Why bother the hassal with jacking up the car. Just > plop it in gear and start it. Then with the clutch > pedal down, nail the throttle on and off a few times > and it shall unstick! Make sure your passenger has > their hand over their Gin and tonic or they will be > wearing their drink! > Chip Hellie (the other Chip) >

[Donald Wilkinson]

Nah, I'll probly doit moiself, (after {carefully} trying quick & dirty). Don TC7993

>From: "Clive Sherriff" clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> >To: Tombutlercpa@cs.com>, i.thomson@talk21.com>, DENKLEMM@aol.com>, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>, chiphelli@yahoo.com>, "Donald Wilkinson" >digitaldon@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TD - Off subject >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:02:18 +0100 > > >>>Exactly. Who knows what damage would be caused by these mindless brute >force >methods, loose parts knocked adrift, etc. Sounds like pure laziness to me >not to address this problem properly, in this case, far from brain surgery. >Don >TC 7993 >============================================== >Eloquently put Don - > >But your view is a sort of triumph of logic over proven >experience and expertise > >As a professional restorer I would much prefer to spend a couple >days stripping it down and writing a wopping great bill, but I >guess I'm a lousy businessman and I'd take the practical >solution in the first instance. So far I've never known it not >to work if done properly. > >However next time your clutch sticks call me and we'll arrange >to take the engine out and fix it "properly" !!! > >Regards > >Clive >

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[David Lodge]

Spot on,digitaldon! David Lodge.

> Hey Hugh: > > Depends on how stuck. There's stuck and REALLY stuck. I'd sure wanna look in > there. > > Don > TC 7993 > > >> From: Jennifer and Hugh Pite jenntoo@shaw.ca> >> To: Tombutlercpa@cs.com >> CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TD - Off subject >> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:02:08 -0700 >> >> Hi Tom, it is very unlikely that the clutch will be damaged. The process >> of >> jacking up the rear of the car and driving the wheels is safe provided good >> blocking is used. For added safety remove the rear road wheels. The reason >> not to pull the trans and rebuild the clutch is that it is a relatively >> big >> job and totally unnecessary. To unstick a clutch should take a very short >> time (5 or 10 min.). >> Regards, Hugh >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tombutlercpa@cs.com> >> >> >> >>> With reguard to the stuck cluch, most of the cluch/brake solutions do >> sound >>> dangereous. Is not cluch damaged anyway? Why not pull trans & rebuild >> cluch? >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >