British number plates

[Gene Wescott]

Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour around to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a gent visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was the county, which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? Gene Wescott

[tonygoodall]

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> From: tonygoodall tonygoodall@blueyonder.co.uk> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:23:27 +0100 > To: Gene Wescott gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] British number plates > > Gene > The registration that you have indicates a London number, Middlesex most > likely. > The first letter K does not specifically indicate a date, it is merely a > sequence number. > For more info on British registrations see - www.car-registration.co.uk > > Tony TC9825 > > >> From: "Gene Wescott" gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:58:38 -0800 >> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >> Cc: "Gene Wescott" Gene.Wescott@gi.alaska.edu> >> Subject: [mg-tabc] British number plates >> >> Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local >> Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour around >> to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a >> gent >> visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 >> and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was >> the county, >> which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month >> of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my >> records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that >> number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show >> the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 >> in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place >> for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. >> Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? >> >> Gene Wescott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >>

[David Lodge]

> Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local > Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour around > to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a > gent > visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 > and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was > the county, > which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month > of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my > records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that > number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show > the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 > in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place > for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. > Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? > > Gene Wescott > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Sam Suklis]

An afterword regarding the insurance issue; When I inquired, my State Farm agent pointed out to me today the exact language in their antique/classic policy: They've addressed it in writing in this way: "When used PRIMARILY for exhibits, clubs, parades, and public events, though NOT EXCLUSIVELY. " He explained that the annual top limit on miles, though either 3k or 5k miles, was set to allow for such things and tours and GOF's, or just hopping around for fun. They set value at something they call "true replacement value", based on the auction market, or the Kruse auction-results book. I'm happy to say none of our "regular" cars ever get driven much over 3k a year, let alone Heinlein or Little Blue. Sam Suklis

[Dave Norris]

www.newreg.co.uk confirms that KMM 52 was issued by Middlesex County Council in 1947. As Tony said, the first letter has no meaning in itself. Dave KOC223

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Wescott" gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Gene Wescott" Gene.Wescott@gi.alaska.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] British number plates > Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local > Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour around > to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a > gent > visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 > and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was > the county, > which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month > of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my > records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that > number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show > the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 > in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place > for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. > Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? > > Gene Wescott > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[David Lodge]

Anyone know why I'm only getting some responses to threads and not the original items? e.g. the one below from Tony? I've suspected this has been happening for some time. Are the celebrated boffins at Yahoo! to blame? Regards to all, David Lodge.

> www.newreg.co.uk confirms that KMM 52 was issued by Middlesex County Council > in 1947. As Tony said, the first letter has no meaning in itself. > Dave > KOC223 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Wescott" gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "Gene Wescott" Gene.Wescott@gi.alaska.edu> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:58 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] British number plates > > >> Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local >> Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour > around >> to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a >> gent >> visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 >> and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was >> the county, >> which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month >> of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my >> records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that >> number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show >> the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 >> in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place >> for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. >> Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? >> >> Gene Wescott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[David Lodge]

---------- From: David Lodge wargs@mac.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:11:45 -0700 To: Gene Wescott gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] British number plates Gene, The last two letters in the registration, as you were rightly informed, denote the County of registration - in your case MM, Middlesex, these days called Greater London; my own example being BD, Northamptonshire; (DBD 432) prefix D which was 1946. The first letter gives a VERY approximate guide to the year of registration. For example the museum-piece Rolls Royce Silver Ghost being AA 1 which is Hampshire, with no prefix letter. Hope this serves to confuse things Brit even more! Regards, David Lodge. ( a not-too-confused Brit!)

> Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local > Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour around > to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a > gent > visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 > and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was > the county, > which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month > of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my > records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that > number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show > the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 > in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place > for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. > Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? > > Gene Wescott > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[R. Zwart]

Interestingly, my 1947 MGTC had the plate KMM 333 BOb David Lodge wrote:

> Anyone know why I'm only getting some responses to threads and not the > original items? e.g. the one below from Tony? I've suspected this has been > happening for some time. Are the celebrated boffins at Yahoo! to blame? > Regards to all, David Lodge. > > > www.newreg.co.uk confirms that KMM 52 was issued by Middlesex County Council > > in 1947. As Tony said, the first letter has no meaning in itself. > > Dave > > KOC223 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Wescott" gene.wescott@gi.alaska.edu> > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: "Gene Wescott" Gene.Wescott@gi.alaska.edu> > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:58 PM > > Subject: [mg-tabc] British number plates > > > > > >> Last evening I had my 47 TC (3387) out on a run with the local > >> Antique Auto Club of America group here in Fairbanks Alaska. We tour > > around > >> to various places, park and talk to tourists. At one campground I met a > >> gent > >> visiting from England who looked at my English number plates: KMM 552 > >> and said he didn't know what county they represented. He said that MM was > >> the county, > >> which he couldn't remember, and that K was the month > >> of registration, November. This doesn't seem right as my > >> records show that it was first registered on 10 Sept., 1947 and given that > >> number. Maybe that was the dealer, as the stamps in the book show > >> the first named owner as George Bramston LTD, 9 July, 1948 > >> in Walthamston, Essex. Could it have been sitting at the dealer's place > >> for 10 months without selling? That seems unlikely. > >> Can anyone explain the significance of the KMM to a month and county? > >> > >> Gene Wescott > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/