Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:50 pm**

Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." Errrr.....no......I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. Criswell Sent from my iPad

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:45 am**

Ron, I couldn't agree with you more. I've had (have) bigger, more powerful, bikes than the 09' I recently sold. But, yes. It was just as comfortable on longer rides and did everything I expected of it. Off road excursions around here are far and between. So, it made sense that I have a more street oriented bike. Hence two Transalps(65k miles total), a DL1000(36k), the briefly-owned DL650( ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Criswell To: DSN Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Small bore Adventure bike solution Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." Errrr.....no......I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. Criswell Sent from my iPad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:54 am**

Husqvarna has two new 650 singles, in street or enduro versions, the main difference being spoked 21/18 wheels vs. cast 19/17. Claimed 58 bhp and 44 ft/lbs from the revised Rotax single used in the BMWs. Husky is now owned by BMW. Review in this month's Motorcyclist. $6499 for the Terra, $7499 for the Strada. Not a whole lot more cash than a KLR, but considerably more power. -- Ian Francisco http://www.scarletfuries.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 Small bore Adventure bike solutionhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/message/207744;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMjBpaTMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMjA3NzQ0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzNTQ1MzY4NTY-> Sun Dec 2, 2012 3:50 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Ron Criswell" roncriswell@... Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....**but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." Errrr.....no.**.....I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. Criswell Sent from my iPad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:42 am**

...and if Husky makes the retro enduro* like I saw in a previous magazine, I'd be tempted! -eddie *Think Steve McQueen's ride in On Any Sunday

----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Francisco To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Small bore Adventure bike solution Husqvarna has two new 650 singles, in street or enduro versions, the main difference being spoked 21/18 wheels vs. cast 19/17. Claimed 58 bhp and 44 ft/lbs from the revised Rotax single used in the BMWs. Husky is now owned by BMW. Review in this month's Motorcyclist. $6499 for the Terra, $7499 for the Strada. Not a whole lot more cash than a KLR, but considerably more power. -- Ian Francisco [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:44 am**

Yeah that would be one to consider for real adventure riding for sure. I always wanted a Husky back in the seventies. I have not got my Motorcyclist this month. $6499 is a good price for a serious adventure bike. Is that the one with spoke rims? I have been considering that new Honda 250 but not sure if it has enough ponies and is kind of heavy for a 250. The price is good at about $4500 and it is fuel injected. Why didn't Honda and Kawasaki make those little 250's into 450's??? I am not going to buy anything (except, guns whiskey and gold) until I see what the idiots in DC are going to do about the national debt. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Ian Francisco wrote: > Husqvarna has two new 650 singles, in street or enduro versions, the main > difference being spoked 21/18 wheels vs. cast 19/17. Claimed 58 bhp and 44 > ft/lbs from the revised Rotax single used in the BMWs. Husky is now owned > by BMW. Review in this month's Motorcyclist. $6499 for the Terra, $7499 for > the Strada. Not a whole lot more cash than a KLR, but considerably more > power. > -- > Ian Francisco > http://www.scarletfuries.com > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > Small bore Adventure bike > solutionhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/message/207744;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMjBpaTMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMjA3NzQ0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzNTQ1MzY4NTY-> > Sun Dec 2, 2012 3:50 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Ron Criswell" > roncriswell@... > Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push > us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. > A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....**but > not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I > have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki > VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would > take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but > never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a > double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell > people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my > 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile > days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who > ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." > Errrr.....no.**.....I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized > once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock > and running fine. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:51 am**

I guess it's to sell magazines. The bike we have will do the job, but those new ones are soo pretty. Kind of the Harley viewpoint: "The NEW low-boy Fat-Bob bagger is soo much shinier and better and sexier, yet has the traditional feel (same engine/ trans) for you traditionalists to appear young and vital to hot women who will still ignore you".

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." Errrr.....no......I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad >

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:00 am**

There was a time, long long ago in a galaxy far, far away; when a 650 was a big bike. Now, if it ain't 1000, it's a small bike. So they are looking at the small bikes with the shiny paint. Even the KLR has shiny paint now. Don't worry, be happy! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 12/3/2012 5:51 AM, CY wrote: > > I guess it's to sell magazines. The bike we have will do the job, but > those new ones are soo pretty. Kind of the Harley viewpoint: "The NEW > low-boy Fat-Bob bagger is soo much shinier and better and sexier, yet > has the traditional feel (same engine/ trans) for you traditionalists > to appear young and vital to hot women who will still ignore you". > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Ron Criswell > wrote: > > > > Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to > push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go > anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in > that category....but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda > NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I > have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all > more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have > taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem > with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in > Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is > more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 > Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile > days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. > Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you > to death." Errrr.....no......I to ok a good ride a couple days > ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 > years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:43 am**

Husky and KTM both have more powerful bikes in the size range. Both are not covered by the article that started this thread. For the KTMs, I understand maintenance is more frequent, more difficult, and more expensive. I don't know myself. I also haven't heard similar rumours about the Husky. BTW, the group that I ride with says that the KTMs are more likely to break down on the rides... Just rumour. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 12/3/2012 4:54 AM, Ian Francisco wrote: > > Husqvarna has two new 650 singles, in street or enduro versions, the main > difference being spoked 21/18 wheels vs. cast 19/17. Claimed 58 bhp and 44 > ft/lbs from the revised Rotax single used in the BMWs. Husky is now owned > by BMW. Review in this month's Motorcyclist. $6499 for the Terra, > $7499 for > the Strada. Not a whole lot more cash than a KLR, but considerably more > power. > -- > Ian Francisco > http://www.scarletfuries.com > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > Small bore Adventure bike > solutionhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/message/207744;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMjBpaTMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMjA3NzQ0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzNTQ1MzY4NTY-> > Sun Dec 2, 2012 3:50 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Ron Criswell" > roncriswell@... > ?subject=Re%3A%20Small%20bore%20Adventure%20bike%20solution> > Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push > us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. > A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that > category....**but > not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki > Versys (I > have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki > VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would > take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but > never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a > double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I > tell > people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my > 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile > days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. > Friends who > ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." > Errrr.....no.**.....I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized > once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the > clock > and running fine. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:50 am**

Magazines, forums just to name a few like to glom onto a label then make it fit "their" definition. "Adventure touring" was coined many years back by folks that loaded down a mid-sized dual sport with camping gear then roamed about for days or weeks on an off-road adventure. Now the term seems to have been co-opted by the crowd on street bikes with knobbies and a credit card they flop down for the night accommodations. These four bikes fit into that catagory nicely. West....

> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: roncriswell2@... > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:50:07 -0600 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Small bore Adventure bike solution > > Guys I don't know if you get tired of the bike mags always trying to push us into bikes other than the KLR for the best all around go anywhere bike. A test in this months Cycle World putting 4 bikes in that category....but not the KLR. The choices were: BMW 700 GS, Honda NC700X, Kawasaki Versys (I have one and love it-but don't take where I have had the KLR). And Suzuki VStrom 650. All great bikes....and all more expensive than KLR's. I would take none of these where I have taken my KLR. They have more power.....but never have I had a problem with the KLR power....except maybe passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft elevation (another story). I tell people my KLR is more comfortable in leg room and seating position than my 2001 Concours or Versys....with a Corbin. I have done numerous 730 mile days, ridden on mud, sand and rock. Maintenance is fairly easy. Friends who ride more expensive mounts say "that thing must beat you to death." Errrr.....no......I took a good ride a couple days ago.....and realized once again of what a great choice I made, 14 years ago. 55,000 on the clock and running fine. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

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Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:56 am**

$6999 and $7499. Sorry. The Terra is the dirt model with spoke wheels in 21- and 18-in front and rear and is the cheaper one. Has a beak fender reminiscent of you-know-who. The Strada has a low fender, ABS, and 19- and 17-in. cast wheels. The Brembo two-pot caliper up front is reportedly strong enough to lock the front wheel making the ABS a nice option for street.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Ron Criswell wrote: > Yeah that would be one to consider for real adventure riding for sure. I > always wanted a Husky back in the seventies. I have not got my Motorcyclist > this month. $6499 is a good price for a serious adventure bike. Is that the > one with spoke rims? I have been considering that new Honda 250 but not > sure if it has enough ponies and is kind of heavy for a 250. The price is > good at about $4500 and it is fuel injected. Why didn't Honda and Kawasaki > make those little 250's into 450's??? I am not going to buy anything > (except, guns whiskey and gold) until I see what the idiots in DC are going > to do about the national debt. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wilsons Sandbox

dumped the bike - 9/21/12

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