choke fixed

[Chris]

So! How badly have I screwed up? 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low but probably adequate. 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the bike sure didn't start! 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the bike at that time. So! How badly have I screwed up? - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery is only a couple years old. - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. Comments? thanks, Chris

[mark ward]

For one thing, NEVER, NEVER NEVER EVER, have the engine running on a car etc. when jumping a Motorcycle. THE CARS AMPS ARE TOO HIGH. If you had a computor, (fuel injecters) As on Most other bikes, you would most likely FRY IT. A bike should never draw enough power away from a car/truck etc. to have any negitive effect on IT starting after. Good luck

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections To: "KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 12:12 AM So! How badly have I screwed up? 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low but probably adequate. 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the bike sure didn't start! 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the bike at that time. So! How badly have I screwed up? - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery is only a couple years old. - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. Comments? thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tam a'Rack]

I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. Or you can have someone push you. I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding the handle bars till I get some speed up. Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders weight on the bike) Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will probably be ok. Tam ________________________________ From: Chris To: KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections So! How badly have I screwed up? 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low but probably adequate. 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the bike sure didn't start! 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the bike at that time. So! How badly have I screwed up? - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery is only a couple years old. - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. Comments? thanks, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Norloff]

Thanks for the comments everyone. I tried push-starting three times, but even in third gear the wheel locked before turning over the engine enough. It was also 90 degrees. I'll replace the battery and voltage regulator, after looking at the price I'm glad I dodged the bullet as far as replacing the stator. And my brother-in-law tells me he blew the top off a battery by hooking jumper cables backwards - so looks like I was lucky ... Regards, Chris

On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tam a'Rack wrote: > I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) > Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. > Or you can have someone push you. > I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding the handle bars till I get some speed up. > Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders weight on the bike) > > Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. > Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. > If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) > I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will probably be ok. > > Tam > > From: Chris > To: KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections > > So! How badly have I screwed up? > > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low > but probably adequate. > > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. > > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the > bike sure didn't start! > > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the > bike at that time. > > So! How badly have I screwed up? > > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery > is only a couple years old. > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. > > Comments? > > thanks, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:12:34 -0400 Chris writes:

> So! How badly have I screwed up? > > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle > low > but probably adequate. > > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for > gas. > > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and > the > bike sure didn't start! > > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, > the > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed > 12 > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start > the > bike at that time. > > So! How badly have I screwed up? > > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM > battery > is only a couple years old. > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old > one > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. > > Comments? > > thanks, > Chris

<><><><><> <><><><><> You cannot check a charging system with a bad/discharged battery. First thing to always check is the condition of a battery and make sure it is fully charged and functional. Replace the battery if it is bad and then with a fully charged and functioning battery check the charging voltage. Proceed as indicated by the results of the test. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50210fae73179fae759cst04vuc

[RobertWichert]

Uh, you said it was working. Why are you replacing anything? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 8/7/2012 5:49 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Thanks for the comments everyone. > > I tried push-starting three times, but even in third gear the wheel > locked before turning over the engine enough. It was also 90 degrees. > > I'll replace the battery and voltage regulator, after looking at the > price I'm glad I dodged the bullet as far as replacing the stator. And > my brother-in-law tells me he blew the top off a battery by hooking > jumper cables backwards - so looks like I was lucky ... > > Regards, > Chris > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tam a'Rack > wrote: > > > I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a > grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) > > Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it > sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. > > Or you can have someone push you. > > I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding > the handle bars till I get some speed up. > > Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine > compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders > weight on the bike) > > > > Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. > > Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. > > If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery > voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) > > I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will > probably be ok. > > > > Tam > > > > From: Chris > > > To: KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections > > > > So! How badly have I screwed up? > > > > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a > > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, > > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low > > but probably adequate. > > > > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. > > > > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on > > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the > > bike sure didn't start! > > > > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the > > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several > > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 > > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the > > bike at that time. > > > > So! How badly have I screwed up? > > > > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery > > is only a couple years old. > > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one > > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. > > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. > > > > Comments? > > > > thanks, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Norloff]

I believe replacing the battery is needed as it didn't hold enough charge over 3-4 weeks to start the bike. Then after 45 min. riding it hadn't charged enough, with charging voltage more than 13.2 V, to start the bike. And batteries seem to be a weak item on motorcycles. While the battery did indeed charge on the 45 min. ride home, its voltage with bike turned off was only 12 V, instead of 13.2 The charging voltage went as high as 14.9 on the way home -- higher than I've ever seen. That may point to a bad battery or a bad voltage regulator. As Jeff Saline noted, checking the charging system requires first a good and charged battery. That's the way my thinking is going now. Thanks, Chris

On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > Uh, you said it was working. Why are you replacing anything? > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > On 8/7/2012 5:49 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: >> Thanks for the comments everyone. >> >> I tried push-starting three times, but even in third gear the wheel locked before turning over the engine enough. It was also 90 degrees. >> >> I'll replace the battery and voltage regulator, after looking at the price I'm glad I dodged the bullet as far as replacing the stator. And my brother-in-law tells me he blew the top off a battery by hooking jumper cables backwards - so looks like I was lucky ... >> >> Regards, >> Chris >> >> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tam a'Rack wrote: >> >> > I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) >> > Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. >> > Or you can have someone push you. >> > I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding the handle bars till I get some speed up. >> > Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders weight on the bike) >> > >> > Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. >> > Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. >> > If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) >> > I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will probably be ok. >> > >> > Tam >> > >> > From: Chris >> > To: KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM >> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections >> > >> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >> > >> > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a >> > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, >> > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low >> > but probably adequate. >> > >> > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. >> > >> > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on >> > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the >> > bike sure didn't start! >> > >> > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the >> > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several >> > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 >> > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the >> > bike at that time. >> > >> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >> > >> > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery >> > is only a couple years old. >> > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one >> > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. >> > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. >> > >> > Comments? >> > >> > thanks, >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jtittiger]

Thanks all and Fred. Choke fixed but broke the plastic POS that everyone breaks. It is working for now. Joe in Missouri

[Chris Norloff]

UPDATE: replaced the battery with a new, fully-charged AGM battery (thanks Fred!). System is charging, though voltage seems a little high -- up to 14.4 volts at 3,000 rpm. Not sure I trust the voltage regulator/rectifier. Have some other issues with it dying now - seems electrical. Regards, Chris

On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: > I believe replacing the battery is needed as it didn't hold enough charge over 3-4 weeks to start the bike. Then after 45 min. riding it hadn't charged enough, with charging voltage more than 13.2 V, to start the bike. And batteries seem to be a weak item on motorcycles. > > While the battery did indeed charge on the 45 min. ride home, its voltage with bike turned off was only 12 V, instead of 13.2 > > The charging voltage went as high as 14.9 on the way home -- higher than I've ever seen. That may point to a bad battery or a bad voltage regulator. As Jeff Saline noted, checking the charging system requires first a good and charged battery. > > That's the way my thinking is going now. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > >> Uh, you said it was working. Why are you replacing anything? >> >> >> >> >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =============================================== >> On 8/7/2012 5:49 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: >>> Thanks for the comments everyone. >>> >>> I tried push-starting three times, but even in third gear the wheel locked before turning over the engine enough. It was also 90 degrees. >>> >>> I'll replace the battery and voltage regulator, after looking at the price I'm glad I dodged the bullet as far as replacing the stator. And my brother-in-law tells me he blew the top off a battery by hooking jumper cables backwards - so looks like I was lucky ... >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chris >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tam a'Rack wrote: >>> >>> > I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) >>> > Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. >>> > Or you can have someone push you. >>> > I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding the handle bars till I get some speed up. >>> > Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders weight on the bike) >>> > >>> > Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. >>> > Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. >>> > If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) >>> > I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will probably be ok. >>> > >>> > Tam >>> > >>> > From: Chris >>> > To: KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM >>> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections >>> > >>> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >>> > >>> > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a >>> > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, >>> > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low >>> > but probably adequate. >>> > >>> > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. >>> > >>> > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on >>> > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the >>> > bike sure didn't start! >>> > >>> > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the >>> > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several >>> > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 >>> > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the >>> > bike at that time. >>> > >>> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >>> > >>> > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery >>> > is only a couple years old. >>> > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one >>> > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. >>> > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. >>> > >>> > Comments? >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

KLRs charging system runs pretty high volts and I don t think yours is excessive. It sounds like your regulator is working properly. When your engine dies, does it sputter before it quits or does it quit like you turned off the key? If it sputters, most likely it is fuel related and if it quits instantly, it s most likely electrical related. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Chris Norloff Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:52 PM To: KLR650 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections UPDATE: replaced the battery with a new, fully-charged AGM battery (thanks Fred!). System is charging, though voltage seems a little high -- up to 14.4 volts at 3,000 rpm. Not sure I trust the voltage regulator/rectifier. Have some other issues with it dying now - seems electrical. Regards, Chris

On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: > I believe replacing the battery is needed as it didn't hold enough charge over 3-4 weeks to start the bike. Then after 45 min. riding it hadn't charged enough, with charging voltage more than 13.2 V, to start the bike. And batteries seem to be a weak item on motorcycles. > > While the battery did indeed charge on the 45 min. ride home, its voltage with bike turned off was only 12 V, instead of 13.2 > > The charging voltage went as high as 14.9 on the way home -- higher than I've ever seen. That may point to a bad battery or a bad voltage regulator. As Jeff Saline noted, checking the charging system requires first a good and charged battery. > > That's the way my thinking is going now. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > >> Uh, you said it was working. Why are you replacing anything? >> >> >> >> >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =============================================== >> On 8/7/2012 5:49 AM, Chris Norloff wrote: >>> Thanks for the comments everyone. >>> >>> I tried push-starting three times, but even in third gear the wheel locked before turning over the engine enough. It was also 90 degrees. >>> >>> I'll replace the battery and voltage regulator, after looking at the price I'm glad I dodged the bullet as far as replacing the stator. And my brother-in-law tells me he blew the top off a battery by hooking jumper cables backwards - so looks like I was lucky ... >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chris >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Tam a'Rack wrote: >>> >>> > I try to avoid jumpstarting, try bumpstaring instead. (roll down a grade and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear) >>> > Once the motor is warm it should not take much. I have done it sitting on the bike and pushing off with my feet. >>> > Or you can have someone push you. >>> > I have done it by getting off the bike and pushing it while holding the handle bars till I get some speed up. >>> > Tricky getting on the bike when you fire it up. (the engine compression will just stop the tire from turning without a riders weight on the bike) >>> > >>> > Sounds like you cooked the voltage regulator. >>> > Not super serious if that is all that is wrong. >>> > If the stator was cooked you would not have more than battery voltage (and the bike would not run with a dead battery) >>> > I would go with a regulator and then check the voltage, you will probably be ok. >>> > >>> > Tam >>> > >>> > From: Chris >>> > To: KLR650 >>> > Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 7:12 PM >>> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] jump start but reversed connections >>> > >>> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >>> > >>> > 1. KLR's battery was too low to start the bike as I got ready for a >>> > trip. Jumped it from the car, no problems. With engine revving, >>> > battery voltage was in the 13.0-13.6 range, which seemed a lttle low >>> > but probably adequate. >>> > >>> > 2. 45 min. down the road the bike wouldn't start after stopping for gas. >>> > >>> > 3. Got a jump from a friendly cager, who put the jumper cables on >>> > backwards and I didn't notice. Jumper cables got smokin' hot, and the >>> > bike sure didn't start! >>> > >>> > 4. Put the cables on correctly, got the bike started. Riding home, the >>> > battery voltage was usually 13.8 to 14.1, but got over 14.1 several >>> > times, once even going to 14.9. When I got home, the battery showed 12 >>> > volts no-load, with the bike turned off. The battery could start the >>> > bike at that time. >>> > >>> > So! How badly have I screwed up? >>> > >>> > - I think it's time for a new battery, though the current AGM battery >>> > is only a couple years old. >>> > - I figure I probably need a voltage regulator, after what the old one >>> > went through, and the odd voltage readings when riding home. >>> > - the stator still seems to be charging, so maybe I'm okay there. >>> > >>> > Comments? >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]