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Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: mark ward Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: List KLR Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines For those who work on small engines. I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) that all seemed fine, Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. My first GUESE would be rings? CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would have to check with the "boss lady" to see what gas can she used. The mix can, has a Black ziptie on the handle, (black for oil) but she may have not thought about it. What about the Backfiring? Never happened before with this unit.

--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "mark ward" Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 3:17 PM Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: mark ward Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: List KLR Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines For those who work on small engines. I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) that all seemed fine, Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. My first GUESE would be rings? CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My wife once put premix into our mower, after that I used a marks a lot to write "2 stroke only" on the weed eater gas can. She did it again, and when I complained to her she said "how am I supposed to know how many strokes a mower has?" To give her credit, there has been 2 stroke mower engines in the past...wait, didn't Honda make those? ________________________________ From: mark ward To: List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; Fred Hink Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines I would have to check with the "boss lady" to see what gas can she used. The mix can, has a Black ziptie on the handle, (black for oil) but she may have not thought about it. What about the Backfiring? Never happened before with this unit.

--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "mark ward" Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 3:17 PM Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: mark ward Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: List KLR Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines For those who work on small engines. I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) that all seemed fine, Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. My first GUESE would be rings? CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Women can be so damn logical at times.... Brent Tegler Tengai rider, Fergus Canada ________________________________ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Nichols Sent: November-17-11 3:48 PM To: mark ward; List KLR; Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines My wife once put premix into our mower, after that I used a marks a lot to write "2 stroke only" on the weed eater gas can. She did it again, and when I complained to her she said "how am I supposed to know how many strokes a mower has?" To give her credit, there has been 2 stroke mower engines in the past...wait, didn't Honda make those? ________________________________ From: mark ward

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To: List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >; Fred Hink > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines I would have to check with the "boss lady" to see what gas can she used. The mix can, has a Black ziptie on the handle, (black for oil) but she may have not thought about it. What about the Backfiring? Never happened before with this unit. --- On Thu, 11/17/11, Fred Hink > wrote: From: Fred Hink > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >, "mark ward" > Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 3:17 PM Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: mark ward Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: List KLR Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines For those who work on small engines. I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) that all seemed fine, Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. My first GUESE would be rings? CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I used to run premix in my 4 stroke Briggs and Stratten all the time. Heck of a machine. Only had 3 wheels as one fell off. Hit a few bricks covered up by weeds with no I'll effects. I don't think I ever changed the oil on it. A Honda mower is a little more high Tech. Speaking of small engines, I think my 4 horse Merc 2 stroke boat motor has a water pump impeller that is out from the way it is acting. Anybody ever do this and is it a big deal? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:17 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: mark ward > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM > To: List KLR > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines > > For those who work on small engines. > > I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) that all seemed fine, > Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. > > I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. > > My first GUESE would be rings? > > CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Best push mower I ever had I bought on sale from the local Piggly Wiggly grocery store. $40.00 I think I paid. It lasted about 8 years until finally the wheels wouldn't stay on it any more. Never did change the oil, just added a little once and a while of what ever I had on hand. Reminds me of my KLR, except I change my oil in my KLR. 46,000 miles and going strong. John

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Ron Criswell wrote: > ** > > > I used to run premix in my 4 stroke Briggs and Stratten all the time. Heck > of a machine. Only had 3 wheels as one fell off. Hit a few bricks covered > up by weeds with no I'll effects. I don't think I ever changed the oil on > it. A Honda mower is a little more high Tech. > > Speaking of small engines, I think my 4 horse Merc 2 stroke boat motor has > a water pump impeller that is out from the way it is acting. Anybody ever > do this and is it a big deal? > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:17 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > Did you happen to get diesel fuel or two stroke mix in your gas can? > > > > Fred > > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: mark ward > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM > > To: List KLR > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NON-KLR Small engines > > > > For those who work on small engines. > > > > I have a Honda (over head cam) push/self propell lawnmower (4+- yr's) > that all seemed fine, > > Then it started smoking bad, and back fired when restarting. > > > > I wasn't using it the last hr of use, but from a short distance (working > on bikes in the garrage. ) I did not notice any noise change before that. > > > > My first GUESE would be rings? > > > > CHIME in here please. (hummor intended) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does it have a rear water discharge port ? Could be a bug made a nest pluging it. Has a lower unit I assume, not sure about that small model. To change the impeller its pretty straight forward once you separate the lower unit. Its a Rubber starwheel that rotates in a cup, seen fairly new units all wore out when the operator likes running sand and mud through it. Kits were like $50, just the wheel maybe $30 (been awhile) Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > I used to run premix in my 4 stroke Briggs and Stratten all the time. Heck of a machine. Only had 3 wheels as one fell off. Hit a few bricks covered up by weeds with no I'll effects. I don't think I ever changed the oil on it. A Honda mower is a little more high Tech. > > Speaking of small engines, I think my 4 horse Merc 2 stroke boat motor has a water pump impeller that is out from the way it is acting. Anybody ever do this and is it a big deal? > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad CLIP