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On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:12:56 -0800 Doug Herr writes: SNIP

> > I also remember a honda thumper that had the rubber extension on > the > kickstand that eliminated the need for the safety switch. > > I can't remember if any here have come up with such a rubber > extension > or maybe a spring loaded version to do the same.

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> -- > Doug Herr

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Doug, I recall hearing about a rubber extension on sidestands. Don't know that I've ever seen one but I was thinking about it earlier this winter. I don't think it would be too tough to figure something out. I was thinking a piece of tire sidewall bolted to the front side of the side stand base might work. The sidewall rubber would be a bit curved so the concave side would go down. I think it would only need to curve about 1/2" - 3/4" below the bottom of the side stand base to be effective. If the side stand was left down as soon as the rubber touched the ground with the bike moving forward I think it would tend to push the side stand up. Might have to be some experimenting with length since I suppose the spring might pull the side stand back down if the rubber part wasn't long enough. Thanks for reminding me to add this to my to do list. I'll have to figure out where to put it in relation to the other 25 projects on there. : ) Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d76adfc6a0ee2480est04vuc

"Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the kick stand has a safety." They also put safety tags on plastic bags saying "don't put on head-suffocation danger" for the same reason- stupid people are everywhere! ________________________________ From: Doug Herr To: DSN_KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 4:12:56 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Kick stand safety alternative? I once watched as a sport bike guy and a harley guy agree to have the harley guy take the sport bike for a short ride for whatever reason. The sport bike had been safety wired for track days and the kick stand safety was disabled. Just after the bike heads around the bend we all hear the fun sound of the bike dropping onto the road. I also remember a honda thumper that had the rubber extension on the kickstand that eliminated the need for the safety switch. I can't remember if any here have come up with such a rubber extension or maybe a spring loaded version to do the same. Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the kick stand has a safety. -- Doug Herr A16 in Oakland, California [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Try the 1982 Honda 500 XLR or XRL. I had one and it worked well. DC D Critchley

On 08/03/2011 15:28, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:12:56 -0800 Doug Herr > writes: > > SNIP > > > > I also remember a honda thumper that had the rubber extension on > > the > > kickstand that eliminated the need for the safety switch. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If I'm stupid enough to ride off with the sidestand down, I'm going to deserve whatever happens. ... just sayin'... It's all muscle memory. The first thing I do when I get on is kick up the sidestand, even before the key is in the ignition. -Jeff Khoury From: "Marc" To: "DSN_KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:47:38 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Kick stand safety alternative? "Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the kick stand has a safety." They also put safety tags on plastic bags saying "don't put on head-suffocation danger" for the same reason- stupid people are everywhere! ________________________________ From: Doug Herr < doug@... > To: DSN_KLR650 < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 4:12:56 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Kick stand safety alternative? I once watched as a sport bike guy and a harley guy agree to have the harley guy take the sport bike for a short ride for whatever reason. The sport bike had been safety wired for track days and the kick stand safety was disabled. Just after the bike heads around the bend we all hear the fun sound of the bike dropping onto the road. I also remember a honda thumper that had the rubber extension on the kickstand that eliminated the need for the safety switch. I can't remember if any here have come up with such a rubber extension or maybe a spring loaded version to do the same. Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the kick stand has a safety. -- Doug Herr A16 in Oakland, California [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Doug, And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have the right tools to get it repaired or removed). Cheers, Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!)

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Doug Herr wrote: > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > kick stand has a safety. > > -- > Doug Herr > A16 in Oakland, California >

Actually, if you know the principle of the safety and can troubleshoot on the fly, these electrical safeties aren't that hard to defeat with a pocket knife or less. One thing that I don't like about the kickstand safety is that it can disable the spark when hitting a bump. That's kind of crumby if you ask me. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/9/2011 10:11 AM, fasteddiecopeman wrote: > > Doug, > And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience > seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a > time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have > the right tools to get it repaired or removed). > Cheers, > Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the > woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Doug Herr wrote: > > > > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > > kick stand has a safety. > > > > -- > > Doug Herr > > A16 in Oakland, California > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Don't over-think the rubber piece. All it is a chunk of rubber about the width and thickness of a pink eraser except longer. Doesn't need to be curved or anything. It works! There's one on my 1985 Honda Elite CH250 scooter, if you want to check a fiche. Part no 26 on this "Stand" fiche: http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1985-honda-ch250-elite/o/m2087#sch106540 -ian

> > Doug, > > I recall hearing about a rubber extension on sidestands. Don't know that > I've ever seen one but I was thinking about it earlier this winter. I > don't think it would be too tough to figure something out. I was > thinking a piece of tire sidewall bolted to the front side of the side > stand base might work. The sidewall rubber would be a bit curved so the > concave side would go down. I think it would only need to curve about > 1/2" - 3/4" below the bottom of the side stand base to be effective. If > the side stand was left down as soon as the rubber touched the ground > with the bike moving forward I think it would tend to push the side stand > up. Might have to be some experimenting with length since I suppose the > spring might pull the side stand back down if the rubber part wasn't long > enough. > > Thanks for reminding me to add this to my to do list. I'll have to > figure out where to put it in relation to the other 25 projects on there. > : ) > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > . > . > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d76adfc6a0ee2480est04vuc >

Eddie, This reminds me of: "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." -Douglas Adams From: "fasteddiecopeman" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:11:23 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? Doug, And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have the right tools to get it repaired or removed). Cheers, Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!)

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Doug Herr wrote: > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > kick stand has a safety. > > -- > Doug Herr > A16 in Oakland, California > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

...Well, that AND: If I wanted to be safe I wouldn't be riding a motorcycle in Los Angeles. -Jeff Khoury From: "RobertWichert" To: "fasteddiecopeman" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:54:35 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? Actually, if you know the principle of the safety and can troubleshoot on the fly, these electrical safeties aren't that hard to defeat with a pocket knife or less. One thing that I don't like about the kickstand safety is that it can disable the spark when hitting a bump. That's kind of crumby if you ask me. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/9/2011 10:11 AM, fasteddiecopeman wrote: > > Doug, > And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience > seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a > time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have > the right tools to get it repaired or removed). > Cheers, > Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the > woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Doug Herr wrote: > > > > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > > kick stand has a safety. > > > > -- > > Doug Herr > > A16 in Oakland, California > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]