front brake bleeding problem: fixed

[stuart sullivan]

Why don't you just install brake bleeder valves which you can buy off ebay for any bike out there,I've got them on all my bikes and I've had no problem with same,i forget the technical aspect of how they work just google and all will be revealed, Stu. To: billahrens@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: transalp1@... Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:58:03 -0500 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650, teflon tape and a misunderstood set of instructions. When the bleeder is closed, the "pointy end" does indeed make a seal unless damaged or corroded. That is NOT what that the Teflon tape is for. Reread my post and Mark's. The tape goes around the *threaded* part of the bleeder - taking care to not wrap it around the hole(s) near the inner end. It seals the fitting when it is loosened while one is bleeding fluid out and helps keep air from getting drawn into the brake system from around the threads. Bleeder tightened, it serves only one other purpose I can think of. It might make a good antiseize. But, it's just there for when bleeding is done. Note: This is most often helpful on bleeders with a 8mm head. Those I've seen that required a 10mm wrench had a rubber o-ring doing sealing duties for bleeding. eddie

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Ahrens To: transalp1@...;KLR650 list Sent: 3/4/2011 11:53:23 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] front brake bleeding problem Putting Teflon tape on brake bleeder fittings does not accomplish anything; the sealing is done between the pointy end of the brake bleeder and a tapered seat in the brake housing. If the seat or bleeder is damaged, tape will not help. The threads are not tapered like pipe thread. Bill Ahrens Race Chairman Emeritus Tucson Sailing Club : 03/04/11 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[stuart sullivan]

Update on these they are actually called Speed bleeders and have a check valve in the bleeder so makes it a one person job,"NO fuss no mess",87 to 07 part # p32-6079 i think or speedbleeder.com check it out. Stu.

> To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > From: mac-doo@... > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:38:34 -0800 > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650, Brake Bleeding! > > > Why don't you just install brake bleeder valves which you can buy off ebay for any bike out there,I've got them on all my bikes and I've had no problem with same,i forget the technical aspect of how they work just google and all will be revealed, > > Stu. > > To: billahrens@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: transalp1@... > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:58:03 -0500 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650, teflon tape and a misunderstood set of instructions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the bleeder is closed, the "pointy end" does indeed make a seal unless damaged or corroded. > > That is NOT what that the Teflon tape is for. > > Reread my post and Mark's. > > The tape goes around the *threaded* part of the bleeder - taking care to not wrap it around the hole(s) near the inner end. > > It seals the fitting when it is loosened while one is bleeding fluid out and helps keep air from getting drawn into the brake system from around the threads. > > Bleeder tightened, it serves only one other purpose I can think of. It might make a good antiseize. But, it's just there for when bleeding is done. > > Note: This is most often helpful on bleeders with a 8mm head. Those I've seen that required a 10mm wrench had a rubber o-ring doing sealing duties for bleeding. > > eddie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Ahrens > > To: transalp1@...;KLR650 list > > Sent: 3/4/2011 11:53:23 AM > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] front brake bleeding problem > > > > Putting Teflon tape on brake bleeder fittings does not accomplish anything; the sealing is done between the pointy end of the brake bleeder and a tapered seat in the brake housing. If the seat or bleeder is damaged, tape will not help. The threads are not tapered like pipe thread. > > > > Bill Ahrens > > Race Chairman Emeritus > > Tucson Sailing Club > > : 03/04/11 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

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[mark ward]

THE PATH HOME: Thats one thing about KLR riders, We NEVER look for the direct path home. Brakeing in the pads: I often take fine grit sand paper and mildly scuff new pads, or REAL fine grit, to cut just the glaze on the rotors. Great to hear you got things fixed. Tavel Safe! Travel Well! Mark (W. Mi.)

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, h zerbes wrote: From: h zerbes Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] front brake bleeding problem: FIXED To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Cc: "mark ward" Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 11:52 AM On 06/03/11 03:25, mark ward wrote: One BIG but simple Question, WHERE ARE YOU?? One of us may be close by, to lend a hand or have the extra tools, (vaccum) etc. and could swing by to PHYSICALLY help., (..........make a bigger mess. LOL) Mark (W. Mi.) --- On Fri, 3/4/11, h zerbes wrote: Thanks for the very kind offer, Mark! I'm in Sydney, Australia, maybe not quite on your way home. But let me know if you are in this neck of the woods one day! Fixed the issue today by running a 5 foot tube that fits over the (cleaned) bleeder valve all the way up above the reservoir. Then opened the valve and pushed the brake fluid back though the caliper into the reservoir. This wasn't enough, though. Still there was no pressure on the lever. Hence I unbolted the caliper and tied it slightly backwards towards the radiator in order to have the brake line as the highest point. There must have been a big bubble somewhere in the piston which wouldn't come with the back flushing method. Now it did. All is well now, although the new pads have no bite yet. Will have to brake them in (pun intended). Since that was so much fun, I replaced the rear fluid as well. 5 min job, or so I thought. This bleeder valve was really clogged, courtesy of the missing cap on that one. Will have to source one now. In the meantime, I put the front cap on it. That was handy, since I forgot to put it on the front valve before installing it... doh! Thanks again for all the help and suggestions! I've put a couple of pics on the group site, under "brake bleeding". Cheers, heinz P.S.: Sorry for messing up the subject line in some previous posts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]