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was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:48 pm
by oldwing@cox.net
Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
Bill
---- oldwing@... wrote:
>
> I beleive that my cable has broken for the second time. I have not yet had a chance to chec k it but the speedo stopped working on the way home from work yesterday. Both times that it broke were on very cold days. This time was it was well below freezing and I remeber that last time it was cold as I had to wait a few weeks for it to warm enought to fix it. The bike is an 02 with about 40k miles. Anybody else have this apparently cold weather problem?
> --
> Bill Lewis
> Roanoke, Virginia
> Professor of Motorcycleology
>
> 2004 R1150RT
> 1990 R100RT
> 2002 KLR
> 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
>
> Expect The Unexpected
>
--
Bill Lewis
Roanoke, Virginia
Professor of Motorcycleology
2004 R1150RT
1990 R100RT
2002 KLR
1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
Expect The Unexpected
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:09 pm
by Fred Hink
I have seen lots of KLR wheel hubs where the tabs of the speedometer drive were not properly engaged into the drive dogs of the hub. When tabs are not lined up with the slots in your hub and you put these two parts together, the tabs will get bent down when you tighten the axle. The speedometer will work for a while until these misaligned parts start slipping. As you continue to drive, the slipping will get worse and worse, shaving metal from the hub which eventually gets into the speedometer drive hub and locks up your speedometer drive gears which usually breaks something. (not good) If has just rubbed a little, you can clean it up and usually reuse the parts, but if they are all broken the only thing you can do is replace all these parts and be more careful that they are lined up before tightening the axle. Check ebay or a motorcycle salvage or on this list to find a wheel or hub.
Good luck,
Fred
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
From: oldwing@...
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
To: oldwing@... ;
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: was; Broken speedo cable now; Front hub
Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
Bill
---- mailto:oldwing%40cox.net wrote:
>
> I beleive that my cable has broken for the second time. I have not yet had a chance to chec k it but the speedo stopped working on the way home from work yesterday. Both times that it broke were on very cold days. This time was it was well below freezing and I remeber that last time it was cold as I had to wait a few weeks for it to warm enought to fix it. The bike is an 02 with about 40k miles. Anybody else have this apparently cold weather problem?
> --
> Bill Lewis
> Roanoke, Virginia
> Professor of Motorcycleology
>
> 2004 R1150RT
> 1990 R100RT
> 2002 KLR
> 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
>
> Expect The Unexpected
>
--
Bill Lewis
Roanoke, Virginia
Professor of Motorcycleology
2004 R1150RT
1990 R100RT
2002 KLR
1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
Expect The Unexpected
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:23 pm
by oldwing@cox.net
Fred,
Thanks for your quick reply. I did put new pads on in Nov and have ridden approx 2k miles since then. Maybe it misaligned then. The only thing that seems different from you description is that there do not appear to be any shavings, just fairly substantial pieces showing the rough broken edge. Do you still feel that is the cause? I did not feel anything unusual and did not notice the speedometer needle jumping or anything. I had just gotten gas and reset the odometer to 0. When the seedometer stopped it was showing 22.4 miles which seems about right for the distance I traveled. Thanks.
Bill
---- Fred Hink wrote:
> I have seen lots of KLR wheel hubs where the tabs of the speedometer drive were not properly engaged into the drive dogs of the hub. When tabs are not lined up with the slots in your hub and you put these two parts together, the tabs will get bent down when you tighten the axle. The speedometer will work for a while until these misaligned parts start slipping. As you continue to drive, the slipping will get worse and worse, shaving metal from the hub which eventually gets into the speedometer drive hub and locks up your speedometer drive gears which usually breaks something. (not good) If has just rubbed a little, you can clean it up and usually reuse the parts, but if they are all broken the only thing you can do is replace all these parts and be more careful that they are lined up before tightening the axle. Check ebay or a motorcycle salvage or on this list to find a wheel or hub.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Fred
>
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
>
>
>
> From: oldwing@...
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: oldwing@... ;
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: was; Broken speedo cable now; Front hub
>
>
> Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
> Bill
> ---- mailto:oldwing%40cox.net wrote:
> >
> > I beleive that my cable has broken for the second time. I have not yet had a chance to chec k it but the speedo stopped working on the way home from work yesterday. Both times that it broke were on very cold days. This time was it was well below freezing and I remeber that last time it was cold as I had to wait a few weeks for it to warm enought to fix it. The bike is an 02 with about 40k miles. Anybody else have this apparently cold weather problem?
> > --
> > Bill Lewis
> > Roanoke, Virginia
> > Professor of Motorcycleology
> >
> > 2004 R1150RT
> > 1990 R100RT
> > 2002 KLR
> > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> >
> > Expect The Unexpected
> >
>
> --
> Bill Lewis
> Roanoke, Virginia
> Professor of Motorcycleology
>
> 2004 R1150RT
> 1990 R100RT
> 2002 KLR
> 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
>
> Expect The Unexpected
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--
Bill Lewis
Roanoke, Virginia
Professor of Motorcycleology
2004 R1150RT
1990 R100RT
2002 KLR
1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
Expect The Unexpected
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:43 pm
by kconcour1
Had the same problem this summer on my 2008. At 13k (43k I think total I bought it new) without taking the front wheel off. Got to be in the 40's and wet. I posted pictures here at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/photos/album/1114282281/pic/list.
To see if it is an installation problem check to see in the tabs are worn or bent. Mine weren't only damage to them was from when they sheared off the hub. I now take the front wheel off monthly to regrease the speedo sending unit.
Though I imagine that 99% of the faults are related to what Fred said. I have been stupid enough to do that if not to the extent of locking up the sending unit on other bikes.
On the plus side don't know about the older bikes but the 2008+ model the hubs and spokes fall right into place and then a little adjustment to true the wheel and life is good. Quite a few dollars poorer but hey lessons cost money.
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Fred,
> Thanks for your quick reply. I did put new pads on in Nov and have ridden approx 2k miles since then. Maybe it misaligned then. The only thing that seems different from you description is that there do not appear to be any shavings, just fairly substantial pieces showing the rough broken edge. Do you still feel that is the cause? I did not feel anything unusual and did not notice the speedometer needle jumping or anything. I had just gotten gas and reset the odometer to 0. When the seedometer stopped it was showing 22.4 miles which seems about right for the distance I traveled. Thanks.
> Bill
> ---- Fred Hink wrote:
> > I have seen lots of KLR wheel hubs where the tabs of the speedometer drive were not properly engaged into the drive dogs of the hub. When tabs are not lined up with the slots in your hub and you put these two parts together, the tabs will get bent down when you tighten the axle. The speedometer will work for a while until these misaligned parts start slipping. As you continue to drive, the slipping will get worse and worse, shaving metal from the hub which eventually gets into the speedometer drive hub and locks up your speedometer drive gears which usually breaks something. (not good) If has just rubbed a little, you can clean it up and usually reuse the parts, but if they are all broken the only thing you can do is replace all these parts and be more careful that they are lined up before tightening the axle. Check ebay or a motorcycle salvage or on this list to find a wheel or hub.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Fred
> >
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oldwing@...
> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
> > To: oldwing@... ;
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: was; Broken speedo cable now; Front hub
> >
> >
> > Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
> > Bill
> > ---- mailto:oldwing%40cox.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I beleive that my cable has broken for the second time. I have not yet had a chance to chec k it but the speedo stopped working on the way home from work yesterday. Both times that it broke were on very cold days. This time was it was well below freezing and I remeber that last time it was cold as I had to wait a few weeks for it to warm enought to fix it. The bike is an 02 with about 40k miles. Anybody else have this apparently cold weather problem?
> > > --
> > > Bill Lewis
> > > Roanoke, Virginia
> > > Professor of Motorcycleology
> > >
> > > 2004 R1150RT
> > > 1990 R100RT
> > > 2002 KLR
> > > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> > >
> > > Expect The Unexpected
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Lewis
> > Roanoke, Virginia
> > Professor of Motorcycleology
> >
> > 2004 R1150RT
> > 1990 R100RT
> > 2002 KLR
> > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> >
> > Expect The Unexpected
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> --
> Bill Lewis
> Roanoke, Virginia
> Professor of Motorcycleology
>
> 2004 R1150RT
> 1990 R100RT
> 2002 KLR
> 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
>
> Expect The Unexpected
>
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:32 pm
by oldwing@cox.net
Your photos show very similar to what my hub looks like except that mine is broken more even with the edge of the bearing. The 2 prongs are of course different on my A16 and are not nearly that torn up. In fact only one of them as any apparent damage and that is on the very tip. Thaniks for the info.
Bill
---- kconcour1 wrote:
>
>
> Had the same problem this summer on my 2008. At 13k (43k I think total I bought it new) without taking the front wheel off. Got to be in the 40's and wet. I posted pictures here at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/photos/album/1114282281/pic/list.
>
> To see if it is an installation problem check to see in the tabs are worn or bent. Mine weren't only damage to them was from when they sheared off the hub. I now take the front wheel off monthly to regrease the speedo sending unit.
>
> Though I imagine that 99% of the faults are related to what Fred said. I have been stupid enough to do that if not to the extent of locking up the sending unit on other bikes.
>
> On the plus side don't know about the older bikes but the 2008+ model the hubs and spokes fall right into place and then a little adjustment to true the wheel and life is good. Quite a few dollars poorer but hey lessons cost money.
>
>
> --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >
> > Fred,
> > Thanks for your quick reply. I did put new pads on in Nov and have ridden approx 2k miles since then. Maybe it misaligned then. The only thing that seems different from you description is that there do not appear to be any shavings, just fairly substantial pieces showing the rough broken edge. Do you still feel that is the cause? I did not feel anything unusual and did not notice the speedometer needle jumping or anything. I had just gotten gas and reset the odometer to 0. When the seedometer stopped it was showing 22.4 miles which seems about right for the distance I traveled. Thanks.
> > Bill
> > ---- Fred Hink wrote:
> > > I have seen lots of KLR wheel hubs where the tabs of the speedometer drive were not properly engaged into the drive dogs of the hub. When tabs are not lined up with the slots in your hub and you put these two parts together, the tabs will get bent down when you tighten the axle. The speedometer will work for a while until these misaligned parts start slipping. As you continue to drive, the slipping will get worse and worse, shaving metal from the hub which eventually gets into the speedometer drive hub and locks up your speedometer drive gears which usually breaks something. (not good) If has just rubbed a little, you can clean it up and usually reuse the parts, but if they are all broken the only thing you can do is replace all these parts and be more careful that they are lined up before tightening the axle. Check ebay or a motorcycle salvage or on this list to find a wheel or hub.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: oldwing@...
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
> > > To: oldwing@... ;
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: was; Broken speedo cable now; Front hub
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
> > > Bill
> > > ---- mailto:oldwing%40cox.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I beleive that my cable has broken for the second time. I have not yet had a chance to chec k it but the speedo stopped working on the way home from work yesterday. Both times that it broke were on very cold days. This time was it was well below freezing and I remeber that last time it was cold as I had to wait a few weeks for it to warm enought to fix it. The bike is an 02 with about 40k miles. Anybody else have this apparently cold weather problem?
> > > > --
> > > > Bill Lewis
> > > > Roanoke, Virginia
> > > > Professor of Motorcycleology
> > > >
> > > > 2004 R1150RT
> > > > 1990 R100RT
> > > > 2002 KLR
> > > > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> > > >
> > > > Expect The Unexpected
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill Lewis
> > > Roanoke, Virginia
> > > Professor of Motorcycleology
> > >
> > > 2004 R1150RT
> > > 1990 R100RT
> > > 2002 KLR
> > > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> > >
> > > Expect The Unexpected
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Lewis
> > Roanoke, Virginia
> > Professor of Motorcycleology
> >
> > 2004 R1150RT
> > 1990 R100RT
> > 2002 KLR
> > 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
> >
> > Expect The Unexpected
> >
>
>
--
Bill Lewis
Roanoke, Virginia
Professor of Motorcycleology
2004 R1150RT
1990 R100RT
2002 KLR
1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 for sale
Expect The Unexpected
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:22 pm
by Bill Watson
Bill,
I've seen this happen a number of times on the list - just happened to a buddy over 1,000 miles after he had the wheel off. No shavings - just a bunch of broken aluminum casting chunks.
We made a tool to install dowel pins in the remaining aluminum and it has worked well since repair. Instead of manufacturing a bunch of them and selling them, we simply rent out the tool as most users need it only once, then send it back. It's a lot less expensive than a hub, of course - and makes your speedo useful again. If you're interested, contact me at watt-man@... .
Bill
www.xanga.com/watt_man
>>>The only thing that seems different from you description is that there do not appear to be any shavings, just fairly substantial pieces showing the rough broken edge. Do you still feel that is the cause?Thanks.
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:17 am
by oldwing@cox.net
> > Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
> > Bill
I purchased a used wheel on ebay and all seems to be fine now. While mounting the tire on the used wheel, I had a thought. I wonder if it is possible that the old hub was damaged during tire installation. I mount my tires on a wood work table and since the disk is on the other side, the speedo side is generally down against the wood surface. Maybe some how enough force is put on the flange to crack it? Or perhaps sometime in the past I set the wheel on the concrete floor to break the bead loose with my boot heal. Just something fo think about.
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:40 am
by Fred Hink
I suppose your hub could have been damaged from working on it on a hard surface. For almost 20 years, I have used a Coats tire machine for any tubeless tires in my shop and for tube type tires I use a plastic bucket. The bucket I have in my shop is larger than your regular 5 gallon size and most likely a 8 or 10 gallon capacity. It brings the tire up to just below my knee and is a larger diameter to hold the wheel stabile. I don t use the machine on tube type tires because the arm that installs the tire will sometime hook the tube and could cause a puncture. It is also a pain with rim locks, so that is why I use the bucket. When I see someone wrestling with a tire on the floor it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. The least you will come out with a scratched up rim and scratched up floor. You may even damage your rotor and bend your rim.
Use anything to keep the rotor, hub and bearings off a hard surface or dirt if you are stuck on the trail. If you are stuck on a trail with a flat tire, you can ride out for help on a flat tire, but if you pull your tire and bend your rotor or damage your bearings, you might not be able to ride out.
Glad you got your hub problem fixed and if you can find a big plastic bucket, you may not have to worry about hub damage from changing tire ever again.
Fred
www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
From: oldwing@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:17 AM
To: oldwing@... ;
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: was; Broken speedo cable now; Front hub
> > Well, I really wish that it had been the speedo cable. Took the front wheel off and the part of the hub where the speedo drive unit sits is broken into small pieces. When I took the speedo drive off the part where the bearings are is gone all the way down to the circlip that holds the bearing in and all/most of the peices are in the speedo drive. The breaks appear to be freash with none of the grease on them. Any idea how this happened? Anyone have a front wheel cheap?
> > Bill
I purchased a used wheel on ebay and all seems to be fine now. While mounting the tire on the used wheel, I had a thought. I wonder if it is possible that the old hub was damaged during tire installation. I mount my tires on a wood work table and since the disk is on the other side, the speedo side is generally down against the wood surface. Maybe some how enough force is put on the flange to crack it? Or perhaps sometime in the past I set the wheel on the concrete floor to break the bead loose with my boot heal. Just something fo think about.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:14 am
by revmaaatin
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote:
for tube type tires I use a plastic bucket. The bucket I have in my shop is larger than your regular 5 gallon size and most likely a 8 or 10 gallon capacity.
Fred and others--
Jeff Saline showed me this idea for trail-side tire changes: carry a cut-down 5-gallon bucket (bucket-bottom) for those emergency tire changes.
Take a 5 gallon bucket, add 3qts of water (or more), mark the water level with a sharpie; use your table saw, skil-saw, or jig saw to cut the bucket off at the 3qt line.
NOTE:
Use minimal blade penetration with a table or skil-saw.
File the edges if it is rough.
You have a shorty-bucket to protect the wheel;
You have catch pan for a 2.5L oil change;
You have a receptacle for parts/pieces if you have to do maintenance.
And something to carry water in to put out the camp fire, etc.
Fill the bucket bottom with the 'stuff' you are already carrying.
It will take up a little more room, but you will be glad for it if you have a flat.
The cut-down-bucket works perfect for the things described.
and perhaps for something not described:
I have never had a flat while carrying that bucket-bottom.
revmaaatin.
was; broken speedo cable now; front hub
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:52 am
by Jud
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:
>
>
> I have never had a flat while carrying that bucket-bottom.
>
> revmaaatin.
>
A classic example of karmic prophylaxis. The great thing about it is that if your karma ever fails, you still have the bucket to help fix your flat.
A lot of guys will just spread their riding jacket on the ground to achieve the same thing. On tour, I usually carry a door mat for my tent, and use that if I have a flat.