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My apologize to Jud, none of these men appeared on SNL.

[b]John Adams and John Hancock:[/b] We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

[b]George Washington:[/b] “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”  [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779] “To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge][b]Benjamin Franklin:[/b] “ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” [i]–Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech[/i]

[b]Patrick Henry:[/b] This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.” —The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

[b]Thomas Jefferson:[/b] “ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.” “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.” [b]Thomas Paine:[/b] “ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.” “ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” [i]“The Existence of God--1810”[/i][b]Leo Tolstoy[/b] "For thirty five years of my life I was, in the proper acceptation of the word, nihilist, a man who believed in nothing. Five years ago my faith came to me. I believed in the doctrine of Jesus Christ and my whole life underwent a sudden transformation. Life and death ceased to be evil. Instead of despair, I tasted joy and happiness that death could not take away." -- Leo Tolstoy, the great genius of Russian letters

[b]Mozart[/b] "...I live with God ever before me. I recognize His omnipotence, I fear His anger; I acknowledge His love, too, His compassion and mercy towards all His creatures; He will never desert those who serve Him." Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as documented by Kerst and Krehbiel in "Beethoven: The Man And The Artist, As Revealed In His Own Words," p. 101, 104-106.

[b]Albert Einstein[/b] "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." -- ("What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck," The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17.)

[b]Napoleon Bonaparte [/b]"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him."

[b]Blaise Pascal[/b] "Jesus is the God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without despair." - Blaise Pascal, 17th century mathematical genius

[b]Mahatma Gandhi[/b] "A man who was completely innocent, offered himself as a sacrifice for the good of others, including his enemies, and became the ransom of the world. It was a perfect act."

Merry Christmas to all

 

Russell

 

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Jud [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:53 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Happy KWANZAA (was MERRY CHRISTMAS)!

 

 

P.S. Kwanzaa runs from Dec. 26 to Jan 1, which happens to coincide with the time I am off work, so I guess I'll be celebrating that, too

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > The last book I read by Al Franken was pretty darn good. Funny too. I'm glad he's my senator, and not the other guy. Now, my Congressperson, Michele Bachman, she's insane, but you might like her. Maybe you can persuade her to move to wherever you are. Have a Merry Christmas. >

#ygrps-yiv-893875087 p {margin:0;}Religion is like your hands. It's best kept to yourself. -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"Russell Scott" [b]To: [/b]"KLRistas" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent: [/b]Saturday, December 18, 2010 10:42:21 PM [b]Subject: [/b]RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Happy KWANZAA (was MERRY CHRISTMAS)! NKLR   My apologize to Jud, none of these men appeared on SNL.

[b]John Adams and John Hancock:[/b] We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

[b]George Washington:[/b][i][/url][/i] What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.  [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779] To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge][b]Benjamin Franklin:[/b] God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel [i] Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech[/i]

[b]Patrick Henry:[/b] This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed. The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

[b]Thomas Jefferson:[/b][i][/url][/i] The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man. Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus. [b]Thomas Paine:[/b] It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author. The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the w orks of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal. [i] The Existence of God--1810 [/i][b]Leo Tolstoy[/b] "For thirty five years of my life I was, in the proper acceptation of the word, nihilist, a man who believed in nothing. Five years ago my faith came to me. I believed in the doctrine of Jesus Christ and my whole life underwent a sudden transformation. Life and death ceased to be evil. Instead of despair, I tasted joy and happiness that death could not take away." -- Leo Tolstoy, the great genius of Russian letters

[b]Mozart[/b] "...I live with God ever before me. I recognize His omnipotence, I fear His anger; I acknowledge His love, too, His compassion and mercy towards all His creatures; He will never desert those who serve Him." Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as documented by Kerst and Krehbiel in "Beethoven: The Man And The Artist, As Revealed In His Own Words," p. 101, 104-106.

[b]Albert Einstein[/b] "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." -- ("What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck," The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17.)

[b]Napoleon Bonaparte [/b]"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him."

[b]Blaise Pascal[/b] "Jesus is the God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without despair." - Blaise Pascal, 17th century mathematical genius

[b]Mahatma Gandhi[/b] "A man who was completely innocent, offe red himself as a sacrifice for the good of others, including his enemies, and became the ransom of the world. It was a perfect act."

Merry Christmas to all

 

Russell

 

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Jud [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:53 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR 650] Re: Happy KWANZAA (was MERRY CHRISTMAS)!

 

P.S. Kwanzaa runs from Dec. 26 to Jan 1, which happens to coincide with the time I am off work, so I guess I'll be celebrating that, too

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > The last book I read by Al Franken was pretty darn good. Funny too. I'm glad he's my senator, and not the other guy. Now, my Congressperson, Michele Bachman, she's insane, but you might like her. Maybe you can persuade her to move to wherever you are. Have a Merry Christmas. >

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> > Religion is like your hands. > > It's best kept to yourself. > > -Jeff Khoury >

Jeff, Ah, the perennial parade of humbugs. smile. If that (above) advice were followed explicitly, there would only be one KLR. It is forums like this that perpetuate the KLR and its 'religious' following. If not for such forums, then the world would be all Church of (sic)H-D. What a dull place that would be! smile. I have one life long observation: Everyone has religion. Of some kind, of some type--everyone is religious about something. Those who say otherwise, believe they are a deity unto themselves; and rarely are reluctant to say so by words or actions. If those with a faith in Christ are wrong, then it might be suggested that it was a 'waste' of time living a moral life centered in love and charity. Is that a bad thing? If those who place their faith in Christ are right, then those who only watch the process and say it is not so, will be the one who are severely disappointed. and that is a bad thing.... Most of us are less than 40 years from finding out who really got it right. Can you guess which one I recommend and chose? Our [respectful, albeit sometimes grumpy] differences often stated here do not keep us from being friends; it does make our friendships spicy! = very lively at times. --who would want it any other way? revmaaatin. time to go to work.

Smart about motorcycles, smart about religion.  Thank you Mr. Khoury. Posted by: "Jeff Khoury" jeff@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Happy%20KWANZAA%20%28was%20MERRY%20CHRISTMAS%29%21%20NKLR  DsrtEglSun Dec 19, 2010 1:29 am (PST) Religion is like your hands.  It's best kept to yourself.  -Jeff Khoury 

There is 'Religion' and there is 'FAITH'. NOT necessarily the same thing I am also NOT a big believer in 'Religion'. Like Einstein I grew up as a Jew, but was familiar with many other beliefs. While not a physicist, I am involved with science by way of engineering {my wife is a Chemist / Thermodynamisist}. Since I was very young, before my Bar Mitzvah, I felt that 'Man' created 'Religion', NOT G_D. But I DO have belief in SOMETHING beyond our physical universe. ANYTIME I want to see proof of that I simply put my hand beside that of an infant. Regards, Good Luck, and have a Happy & Healthy Season !! Ron Magen, Joanne Magen, 'Captain Outrageous', and 'Miss Ziggy' {the Malamutes we share our home with} PS: Maybe the Druids had it right . . . Trees and the Earth ?? - - - - - - - - 3a. Re: Happy KWANZAA (was MERRY CHRISTMAS)! NKLR Posted by: "Russell Scott" russell@... russelleon Date: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:42 pm ((PST)) Adams, Hancock: , George Washington:, Benjamin Franklin: Patrick Henry: Thomas Jefferson: Thomas Paine: Leo Tolstoy . . . the great genius of Russian letters Mozart Albert Einstein . . .1929 Napoleon Bonaparte Blaise Pascal, 17th century mathematical genius Mahatma Gandhi ________________________________________________________________________ Posted by: "Jeff Khoury" jeff@... DsrtEgl Religion is like your hands. . . . It's best kept to yourself. _______________________________________ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield http://www.iolo.com

The only thing I can say about the beliefs/religion of those around you is this: If the belief systems and celebrations of those beliefs by others, offends you, then you need to rethink your own beliefs. Live how you choose, believe what you will, and let me do the same. Peace and love to all mankind, all the time. da Vermonster (celebrating life on a daily basis - hiccup)

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "a bunch of folks> wrote:

I encourage discussion of religion because it can't hurt. Anything prayerful is wonderful to me.  I am a Taoist, but I fully encourage everyone to be outspoken in their own characterization of eternity. It is only those who are afraid of religion that frighten me. Oh, I forgot, those who kill for religious reasons are a "little" suspicious too.  My best to everyone! Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, as I do.  Happy [b]Hanukkah[/b]  to those that celebrate that holiday.  Happy Fesitvus for the rest of us!  Kwanza too!  The best of all - Happy New Year to all and to all a good night!  Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 12/19/2010 7:36 AM, revmaaatin wrote:   --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury jeff@... wrote: > > Religion is like your hands. > > It's best kept to yourself. > > -Jeff Khoury > Jeff, Ah, the perennial parade of humbugs. smile. If that (above) advice were followed explicitly, there would only be one KLR. It is forums like this that perpetuate the KLR and its 'religious' following. If not for such forums, then the world would be all Church of (sic)H-D. What a dull place that would be! smile. I have one life long observation: Everyone has religion. Of some kind, of some type--everyone is religious about something. Those who say otherwise, believe they are a deity unto themselves; and rarely are reluctant to say so by words or actions. If those with a faith in Christ are wrong, then it might be suggested that it was a 'waste' of time living a moral life centered in love and charity. Is that a bad thing? If those who place their faith in Christ are right, then those who only watch the process and say it is not so, will be the one who are severely disappointed. and that is a bad thing.... Most of us are less than 40 years from finding out who really got it right. Can you guess which one I recommend and chose? Our [respectful, albeit sometimes grumpy] differences often stated here do not keep us from being friends; it does make our friendships spicy! = very lively at times. --who would want it any other way? revmaaatin. time to go to work.

I agree; it would be a very dull place indeed if we all rode the same bike, wore the same clothes, held the same religious beliefs. One day I hope to sit down with our learned compatriot revmaatin and discuss the meaning of life, the universe and everything. For now, if you pray,pray for peace, if you don't pray, keep a happy thought for those less fortunate and those far away who serve so that we may have these interesting conversations without interference from the state. Keep well & celebrate something if only the fact that you are still alive and not finding out for sure what lurks on the other side. albatross (who keeps a happy thought for those in the dusty places of the world) & BTW Happy Christmas rev...... What a dull place that would be! who would want it any other way?

> > revmaaatin. time to go to work. >

Well, as a pagan, I respect all faiths, and even those who have none. Why folks of one faith or none become offended when wished a happy holiday from someone of any faith or even none I do not understand. Perhaps they feel that no one but folks of their own persuasion should be allowed to exist. So sad. Sorry, but "Happy Generic Winter Holiday!" is so...cold...even if it IS winter. Merry Christmas, Merry Yule, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Festivus to all. May everyone have a safe and pleasant holiday! Don Dickerson Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." -- Helen Keller

--- On [b]Sun, 12/19/10, RobertWichert [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: RobertWichert Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Happy KWANZAA (was MERRY CHRISTMAS)! NKLR To: "revmaaatin" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 8:48 PM   I encourage discussion of religion because it can't hurt. Anything prayerful is wonderful to me.  I am a Taoist, but I fully encourage everyone to be outspoken in their own characterization of eternity. It is only those who are afraid of religion that frighten me. Oh, I forgot, those who kill for religious reasons are a "little" suspicious too.  My best to everyone! Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, as I do.  Happy [b]Hanukkah[/b]  to those that celebrate that holiday.  Happy Fesitvus for the rest of us!  Kwanza too!  The best of all - Happy New Year to all and to all a good night!  Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ======================================================== On 12/19/2010 7:36 AM, revmaaatin wrote:   --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Religion is like your hands. > > It's best kept to yourself. > > -Jeff Khoury > Jeff, Ah, the perennial parade of humbugs. smile. If that (above) advice were followed explicitly, there would only be one KLR. It is forums like this that perpetuate the KLR and its 'religious' following. If not for such forums, then the world would be all Church of (sic)H-D. What a dull place that would be! smile. I have one life long observation: Everyone has religion. Of some kind, of some type--everyone is religious about something. Those who say otherwise, believe they are a deity unto themselves; and rarely are reluctant to say so by words or actions. If those with a faith in Christ are wrong, then it might be suggested that it was a 'waste' of time living a moral life centered in love and charity. Is that a bad thing? If those who place their faith in Christ are right, then those who only watch the process and say it is not so, will be the one who are severely disappointed. and that is a bad thing.... Most of us are less than 40 years from finding out who really got it right. Can you guess which one I recommend and chose? Our [respectful, albeit sometimes grumpy] differences often stated here do not keep us from being friends; it does make our friendships spicy! = very lively at times. --who would want it any other way? revmaaatin. time to go to work.

Ummmmm, wait, Dont we all ride KLR650s, all wear helmets and gloves and all talk about oil and wd40 endlessly?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "albatrossklr" wrote: > > I agree; it would be a very dull place indeed if we all rode the same bike, wore the same clothes, held the same religious beliefs.