Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:47 pm**

http://bicycletutor.com/no-wd40-bike-chain/

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:29 pm**

"I have reluctantly enlisted in this war as a klr650 rider (with a nice new chain and sprocket set courtesy of a WD40 routine) and as an experienced mechanical engineer. I believe some folks have may had a good experience by only cleaning their chains regularly and providing no other external lubricant. There are also examples to be found where chains failed prematurely on WD40 only. Most everyone eventually agrees that WD40 cannot actually provide significant lubrication for any length of time so the argument boils down to whether you think a KLR650 chain requires external lubrication on a regular basis. In that context I have to advise that you lube your chains not just clean them with WD40." I AGREE THAT IS WHY I PREFER ATF. "Your choice of real lubricants is more controversial. 90 wt. gear oil works fine though messy so I prefer real chain lube that sprays on and goes dry to the touch. These are all personal choices. If you think WD40 is a chain lube for your 400lb/650cc rock crusher go for it." 90WT ISN'T MY LUBE OF CHOICE. I CLEAN WITH ATF(BETTER FOR THE O RINGS) WHEN THE ATF STARTS TO DRY OUT(BUT NOT AS FAST AS WD40), I USE CHAIN LUBE. THE PROBLEM WITH CHAIN LUBE IS THE SANDPAPER EFFECT OF GRIT GETTING CAUGHT IN THE LUBE BUT THE NEWEST CHAIN LUBE I GOT SEEMS TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. FOR PURE STREET WITHOUT RAIN OR SNOW ATF IS ENOUGH. THE 99 CENT STORE SHOOTER OF WD40 IS MUCH HANDIER THAN 90WT OR ATF FOR CONVENIENCE. Commence flaming : /

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:42 pm**

Nice article, not the same as O ring chains.

Bill Ahrens

Race Chairman

Tucson Sailing Club

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Jeffrey [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:16 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] WD40 video

http://bicycletutor.com/no-wd40-bike-chain/

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Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:10 pm**

So, WD40 doesn't hurt rubber but I doubt it is as friendly to rubber as ATF. A perennial question for those of us who like to clean our chains with WD40 is: does WD40 do damage to the rubber o-ring? I've heard enough guys say "I've been cleaning my o-ring chains with WD40 since 1815 and I've never had a problem" (or something to that effect) that I've just gone ahead and used WD40 on my chains and not worried about it. But last month, I found myself sitting in the garage with an o-ring, some WD40, and a camera -- and I conceived of a grand test that would NOT answer the question once and for all. But I figured I'd do it anyway. I would soak an o-ring in WD40 for a month and see what happened. Here's the WD40: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9180/HPIM1018.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1018.jpg) On February 18, 2008, I took an o-ring from a Regina master link and put it in a little pool of WD40. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3412/HPIM1015.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1015.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8230/HPIM1016.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1016.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5844/HPIM1017.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1017.jpg) I checked on the o-ring a couple of days later. It looked fine. It hadn't dissolved or anything. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4843/HPIM1021.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1021.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3461/HPIM1025.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1025.jpg) After the o-ring had been soaking in the WD40 for over a week, I pulled it out and checked on its elasticity. As far as I could tell, the rubber was holding up well. After being stretched out, it returned to its original shape just fine. I then freshened up the WD40 and left the o-ring to soak some more. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7853/HPIM1030.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1030.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2217/HPIM1031.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1031.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2544/HPIM1032.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1032.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7718/HPIM1035.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1035.jpg) Tonight I realized it had been about a month that the little o-ring had been soaking in WD40. Time to put this "experiment" to an end. I stretched the o-ring out again to see if it had lost any of its elasticity or if it would deform. From what I could tell, the little o-ring was just fine after nearly 30 full days soaking in WD40. http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/802/hpim1053br6.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1053br6.jpg)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4880/hpim1054kz9.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1054kz9.jpg)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/273/hpim1055fq5.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1055fq5.jpg) So if the function of the o-rings in an o-ring chain is to keep water and dirt off the roller pins and to hold the grease in place, it looks like the o-ring rubber is not affected by WD40 in a way that would inhibit it from doing its job. And, of course, if you're wiping your chain down with a WD40 soaked rag or even spraying the chain directly with WD40, the exposure of the o-rings to WD40 is nowhere near what the o-ring in this little test was exposed to. You too can have this kind of fun by devising your own o-ring tests and posting the results online. Now that I think of it, I find myself very curious about the effects of a propane torch flame on o-ring rubber. Would it last a month?

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:26 pm**

** "Chain O-ring WD-40 exposure effects study and results" http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345397 --John Kokola Jeffrey wrote:

> So, WD40 doesn't hurt rubber but I doubt it is as friendly to rubber as ATF. > > A perennial question for those of us who like to clean our chains with WD40 is: does WD40 do damage to the rubber o-ring? > >

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:33 am**

While you are in the mood for experiments, try this one: Spray your chain with your favorite chain spooge. Ride around the block. Is there any "lubricant" left on the interface between the sprocket and rollers? Now ride 10 miles. Anything left now? In my experience, everything is gone in a few blocks, although the side plates may still be coated. Have you ever seen a side plate wear out? Let's assume generously that the lube will continue to lubricate the sprocket and rollers for 10 miles. What's your lubrication interval, 300 miles? So your rollers and sprockets are being lubricated for 10 miles out of every 300. Do you still think that can of chain spooge is worth the $7.95 you paid for it? I think the $37.95 I paid for a Loobman was wasted. Not completely, because it was fun to install and set up, fun to give a squeeze every 150 miles, or whenever I thought of it, and fun to replace my chain after 5000 miles. WD40 does no harm. It washes away mud and grit, and leaves at least a light film on the chain. It's not much of a lubricant, to be sure, but it is everywhere. You can even buy it in the grocery store. There is still nothing that has been shown to give longer chain life without using a continuous-feed oiler. It's not god, it's not magic, but at least it's not a complete waste of money.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > So, WD40 doesn't hurt rubber but I doubt it is as friendly to rubber as ATF. > > A perennial question for those of us who like to clean our chains with WD40 is: does WD40 do damage to the rubber o-ring? > > I've heard enough guys say "I've been cleaning my o-ring chains with WD40 since 1815 and I've never had a problem" (or something to that effect) that I've just gone ahead and used WD40 on my chains and not worried about it. > > But last month, I found myself sitting in the garage with an o-ring, some WD40, and a camera -- and I conceived of a grand test that would NOT answer the question once and for all. But I figured I'd do it anyway. > > I would soak an o-ring in WD40 for a month and see what happened. > > Here's the WD40: > http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9180/HPIM1018.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1018.jpg) > > On February 18, 2008, I took an o-ring from a Regina master link and put it in a little pool of WD40. > http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3412/HPIM1015.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1015.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8230/HPIM1016.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1016.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5844/HPIM1017.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1017.jpg) > > I checked on the o-ring a couple of days later. It looked fine. It hadn't dissolved or anything. > http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4843/HPIM1021.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1021.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3461/HPIM1025.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1025.jpg) > > After the o-ring had been soaking in the WD40 for over a week, I pulled it out and checked on its elasticity. As far as I could tell, the rubber was holding up well. After being stretched out, it returned to its original shape just fine. I then freshened up the WD40 and left the o-ring to soak some more. > http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7853/HPIM1030.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1030.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2217/HPIM1031.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1031.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2544/HPIM1032.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1032.jpg)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7718/HPIM1035.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HPIM1035.jpg) > > Tonight I realized it had been about a month that the little o-ring had been soaking in WD40. Time to put this "experiment" to an end. I stretched the o-ring out again to see if it had lost any of its elasticity or if it would deform. From what I could tell, the little o-ring was just fine after nearly 30 full days soaking in WD40. > http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/802/hpim1053br6.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1053br6.jpg)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4880/hpim1054kz9.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1054kz9.jpg)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/273/hpim1055fq5.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1055fq5.jpg) > > So if the function of the o-rings in an o-ring chain is to keep water and dirt off the roller pins > and to hold the grease in place, it looks like the o-ring rubber is not affected by WD40 in a way that would inhibit it from doing its job. And, of course, if you're wiping your chain down with a WD40 soaked rag or even spraying the chain directly with WD40, the exposure of the o-rings to WD40 is nowhere near what the o-ring in this little test was exposed to. > > You too can have this kind of fun by devising your own o-ring tests and posting the results online. Now that I think of it, I find myself very curious about the effects of a propane torch flame on o-ring rubber. Would it last a month? >

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:46 pm**

That guy has children locked in a secret room in his basement if ever anybody did. Or maybe he makes a product called Phils Tenacious lube. Something is squirrely though

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > http://bicycletutor.com/no-wd40-bike-chain/ >

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:23 pm**

Moral of the story is don't put a bicycle chain on your motorcycle. [b]From:[/b] skypilot110 [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Fri, December 10, 2010 1:45:46 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: WD40 video That guy has children locked in a secret room in his basement if ever anybody did. Or maybe he makes a product called Phils Tenacious lube. Something is squirrely though

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > http://bicycletutor.com/no-wd40-bike-chain/ >

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:29 pm**

#ygrps-yiv-191600912 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} And you shouldn't put someone from a children's TV show on a video that is bound to end up in the hands of ruffians like us

[b]From:[/b] Red Rock [mailto:red.rock47@...] [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, December 10, 2010 2:23 PM [b]To:[/b] Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: WD40 video Moral of the story is don't put a bicycle chain on your motorcycle. [b]From:[/b] skypilot110 [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Fri, December 10, 2010 1:45:46 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: WD40 video That guy has children locked in a secret room in his basement if ever anybody did. Or maybe he makes a product called Phils Tenacious lube. Something is squirrely though --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote:

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Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:29 pm**

#ygrps-yiv-1174628773 p {margin:0;}I agree. My creep-o-meter was off the chart, especially when he held out the toy. That $h17 should be on every "stranger danger" video. -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"skypilot110" [b]To: [/b]"DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent: [/b]Friday, December 10, 2010 10:45:46 AM [b]Subject: [/b][DSN_KLR650] Re: WD40 video That guy has children locked in a secret room in his basement if ever anybody did. Or maybe he makes a product called Phils Tenacious lube. Something is squirrely though

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > http://bicycletutor.com/no-wd40-bike-chain/ >

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