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I about ruined a chain using wd40. It seems to be a solvent and is way too light to stay on a chain. It was never designed as a chain lube. It's ok for cleaning a chain but not for lubing...........   Bob 09 KLR     To: tls@... CC: sh8knj8k@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: roncriswell@... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:46:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Valve Adjustments   Errrrr...... .....what lube is the collective in love with these days? WD-40 here but beginning to question that. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 06:09:39AM -0000, sh8knj8kster wrote: > > > This service gave me the chance to soak the endless drive chain in a > diesel bath (scrubbed with a toothbrush). I've done that. I won't ever do it again. I strongly recommend against soaking the chain in any kind of solvent bath. The KLR chain is an O-ring chain, which means there are gaskets holding "permanent" lube in around all the interior sliding surfaces. If that lube comes out, it's not going back in. On an O-ring chain, the chain lube you add is just for the chain-to-sprocket interface and pin-to-side- plate interface. Soaking the chain in a light hydrocarbon solvent like diesel or kero is a great way to wash all the permanent lube out. Thor

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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 06:26:32PM -0400, Bob K wrote:

> > I about ruined a chain using wd40. > > It seems to be a solvent and is way too light to stay on a chain.

Well, if you're riding dirt, anything that stays on a chain is going to pick up dirt and grit and turn into Dr. Dusty's Patented Chain And Sprocket Polishing Compound. Not so good. The really heavy sticky chain lubes like PJ1 Black that the sportbike crowd swear by aren't bad for a KLR in on-road use but I'd never use them before an off-road excursion -- in fact, I try to use WD40 or kero and a scrub brush to wash them *off* before dirt or even gravel-road days. Kawasaki's recommendation of heavy gear oil is a pretty good compromise. Messier than sticky chain lube but doesn't bind up crud and turn into valve lapping compound. So is a Scottoiler if it'll actually stay on your bike during "vigorous" offroad riding -- results may vary. The less-aggressive PJ1 Blue might be decent, too. But the primary lube on an O-ring chain is the permanent lube held in by the O-rings, so don't worry about it too much! A number of people here have advocated, for dirt riding, just washing the chain off well with a generous spray of WD at the end of each riding day, until the liquid running off the chain is clear, not muddy -- and it makes good sense to me. Thor

Heck I've used diesel fuel.  Thats what I clean the chain with.  Cheap and works well.   Gary Souderton, Pa. America will never be destroyed from the outside.  If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~~ Abraham Lincoln ~~   If your a democrat your a Socialist   [color=#262626]Contrary to belief Nobody owes you anything[/color]       To: cbrxx98@... CC: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com From: tls@... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:03:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] WD40 on chains? NO!  

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 06:26:32PM -0400, Bob K wrote: > > I about ruined a chain using wd40. > > It seems to be a solvent and is way too light to stay on a chain. Well, if you're riding dirt, anything that stays on a chain is going to pick up dirt and grit and turn into Dr. Dusty's Patented Chain And Sprocket Polishing Compound. Not so good. The really heavy sticky chain lubes like PJ1 Black that the sportbike crowd swear by aren't bad for a KLR in on-road use but I'd never use them before an off-road excursion -- in fact, I try to use WD40 or kero and a scrub brush to wash them *off* before dirt or even gravel-road days. Kawasaki's recommendation of heavy gear oil is a pretty good compromise. Messier than sticky chain lube but doesn't bind up crud and turn into valve lapping compound. So is a Scottoiler if it'll actually stay on your bike during "vigorous" offroad riding -- results may vary. The less-aggressive PJ1 Blue might be decent, too. But the primary lube on an O-ring chain is the permanent lube held in by the O-rings, so don't worry about it too much! A number of people here have advocated, for dirt riding, just washing the chain off well with a generous spray of WD at the end of each riding day, until the liquid running off the chain is clear, not muddy -- and it makes good sense to me. Thor

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I don't know how you used your WD40, but nothing works better for me. In fact, there is still nothing that has been shown to give longer life to a dual sport chain that sees a significant amount of grit. I get 15-20K out of an x-ring chain. There is a substantial body of evidence that says the same. By way of contrast, I trashed a similar chain in under 5k on 90wt and a Loobman. There is a lot of pontificating about how WD40 is a lousy lubricant, and a lot of unsupported testimonials to the spooge-of-the-month. A Scottoiler will do much better with a variety of lubes, as long as the chain is kept clean. Street bike chains that never see a gravel road often go much longer on a variety of products. But I'm still waiting for anybody to produce a body of evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that even documents the performance of any other product, much less suggests that it does a better job than WD40. As Bogdan points out, its greatest virtue may be its ubiquity.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bob K wrote: > > > I about ruined a chain using wd40. > > It seems to be a solvent and is way too light to stay on a chain. > > It was never designed as a chain lube. > > It's ok for cleaning a chain but not for lubing........... > > > > Bob 09 KLR > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: tls@... > CC: sh8knj8k@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: roncriswell@... > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:46:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Valve Adjustments > > > > > > > Errrrr...........what lube is the collective in love with these days? > WD-40 here but beginning to question that. > > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 06:09:39AM -0000, sh8knj8kster wrote: > > > > > > This service gave me the chance to soak the endless drive chain in a > > diesel bath (scrubbed with a toothbrush). > > I've done that. I won't ever do it again. I strongly recommend > against soaking the chain in any kind of solvent bath. The KLR chain > is an O-ring chain, which means there are gaskets holding "permanent" > lube in around all the interior sliding surfaces. If that lube comes > out, it's not going back in. On an O-ring chain, the chain lube you > add is just for the chain-to-sprocket interface and pin-to-side-plate > interface. > > Soaking the chain in a light hydrocarbon solvent like diesel or > kero is a great way to wash all the permanent lube out. > > Thor > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 >

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Gary Thacker wrote:

> If your a democrat your a Socialist >

If you say stuff like that, you are an ignoramus who needs to be bitch-slapped.

I agree with you Thor. I gave up a few years ago on religiously lubing an off road chain. I too have found that life is increased by merely cleaning the chain after every ride and saving the sticky goop for my streeter. I wash, then spray with WD to drive the water out and loosen any crud. The stuff is an awesome solvent. Which, btw makes me point oput the fact that if you think solvents are bad for your expensive chain, you may want to ponder that fact. I think those that find WD is the ultimate chain lube may find the same life from no lube at all. The WD is so light nothing clings to it, simpky because any lubingproperties have evaporated or been flung before it can attract any grime. If you're that serious on lubing the chain, take it off, toss in a metal vat of grease, and heat the whole shebang up until the grease softens. Then let it cool. This will suck grease through the rings. Personally, I'll just wreck the chain and buy a new one. I'd rather be out riding! Actually, on second though, make a pressure vessel, fill with chain and grease, and put the air to it! Crap, I better get on patenting that! I keep WD around my Pig Sty solely for Water Displacement and cleaning. It is the best (shy of gasoline) cleaner out there for clearing road slime and flung chain lube from the wheels of my street bike. It puts a nice sheen of plastic and rubber, along with anything but a gloss surface. Ditto for removing carbon marks, boot marks from plastic side panels, sticker gum, stuck boogers, and chicken flingings. It is such a poor performer as a lube, I have found it to be the felines anus for mounting tires and hand grips. The crap evaporates before you can finish the job and go for a ride. Whereas the "tried and true" dish soap makes for a slick bead the first time you hit a water hole. I keep cans of PB Blaster around for the penetrating and lubing issues. I've yet to find a better product for that, even the much more expensive CRC 5-56. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside E

I love WD-40 although I have never used it to lubricate a motorcycle chain.  It is a great solvent and loosens up anything. But for cleaning, NOTHING beats kerosene.  It's easy on the hands, leaves a wonderful lubricating afterglow, and will cut just about anything out there.  I use it on garage floors! Flammable - NOT! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 3/26/2010 8:06 PM, Eric J Foster wrote:   I agree with you Thor. I gave up a few years ago on religiously lubing an off road chain. I too have found that life is increased by merely cleaning the chain after every ride and saving the sticky goop for my streeter. I wash, then spray with WD to drive the water out and loosen any crud. The stuff is an awesome solvent. Which, btw makes me point oput the fact that if you think solvents are bad for your expensive chain, you may want to ponder that fact. I think those that find WD is the ultimate chain lube may find the same life from no lube at all. The WD is so light nothing clings to it, simpky because any lubingproperties have evaporated or been flung before it can attract any grime. If you're that serious on lubing the chain, take it off, toss in a metal vat of grease, and heat the whole shebang up until the grease softens. Then let it cool. This will suck grease through the rings. Personally, I'll just wreck the chain and buy a new one. I'd rather be out riding! Actually, on second though, make a pressure vessel, fill with chain and grease, and put the air to it! Crap, I better get on patenting that! I keep WD around my Pig Sty solely for Water Displacement and cleaning. It is the best (shy of gasoline) cleaner out there for clearing road slime and flung chain lube from the wheels of my street bike. It puts a nice sheen of plastic and rubber, along with anything but a gloss surface. Ditto for removing carbon marks, boot marks from plastic side panels, sticker gum, stuck boogers, and chicken flingings. It is such a poor performer as a lube, I have found it to be the felines anus for mounting tires and hand grips. The crap evaporates before you can finish the job and go for a ride. Whereas the "tried and true" dish soap makes for a slick bead the first time you hit a water hole. I keep cans of PB Blaster around for the penetrating and lubing issues. I've yet to find a better product for that, even the much more expensive CRC 5-56. http://www.wired. com/science/ discoveries/ magazine/ 17-05/st_ whatsinside E

All right, as long as we are talking about wonder lubricants and cleaners, does anyone here use Break-Free CLP? http://www.break-free.com/?location=/products/index.asp on their motos? I used some a while back on my clutch cable (remember that thread? I was going to chime in on that but never did.) Anyhow, my current chain practice on the off road machines is a WD-40 rinse after washing the bike and a blast each day to flush off grit. -- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:23 PM, RobertWichert wrote: I love WD-40 although I have never used it to lubricate a motorcycle chain. It is a great solvent and loosens up anything. But for cleaning, NOTHING beats kerosene. It's easy on the hands, leaves a wonderful lubricating afterglow, and will cut just about anything out there. I use it on garage floors! Flammable - NOT! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ======================================================== On 3/26/2010 8:06 PM, Eric J Foster wrote: I agree with you Thor. I gave up a few years ago on religiously lubing an off road chain. I too have found that life is increased by merely cleaning the chain after every ride and saving the sticky goop for my streeter. I wash, then spray with WD to drive the water out and loosen any crud. The stuff is an awesome solvent. Which, btw makes me point oput the fact that if you think solvents are bad for your expensive chain, you may want to ponder that fact. I think those that find WD is the ultimate chain lube may find the same life from no lube at all. The WD is so light nothing clings to it, simpky because any lubingproperties have evaporated or been flung before it can attract any grime. If you're that serious on lubing the chain, take it off, toss in a metal vat of grease, and heat the whole shebang up until the grease softens. Then let it cool. This will suck grease through the rings. Personally, I'll just wreck the chain and buy a new one. I'd rather be out riding! Actually, on second though, make a pressure vessel, fill with chain and grease, and put the air to it! Crap, I better get on patenting that! I keep WD around my Pig Sty solely for Water Displacement and cleaning. It is the best (shy of gasoline) cleaner out there for clearing road slime and flung chain lube from the wheels of my street bike. It puts a nice sheen of plastic and rubber, along with anything but a gloss surface. Ditto for removing carbon marks, boot marks from plastic side panels, sticker gum, stuck boogers, and chicken flingings. It is such a poor performer as a lube, I have found it to be the felines anus for mounting tires and hand grips. The crap evaporates before you can finish the job and go for a ride. Whereas the "tried and true" dish soap makes for a slick bead the first time you hit a water hole. I keep cans of PB Blaster around for the penetrating and lubing issues. I've yet to find a better product for that, even the much more expensive CRC 5-56. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside E

-- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN

Ya but a hammer under the right side swingarm to raise tire off ground, bike at idle, clutch in, shift into 2nd gear, tire will start to spin (clutch still in) I start the WD-40 with straw at the front sprocket spraying chain well, by the time chain gets to the rear sprocket the WD-40 slings off and takes the yuckies with it. It will also drip well from the front sprocket area, so suggest a large piece of cardboard under chain area if in area you dont want drip marks, or do it over the grass. It works for me, but I do not do alot of highway riding, more offroad and gravel so having no sticky stuff on chain for me is better. Now when I ride alot of highway I will do the above and then using a oil can add chainsaw bar oil to chain nice and sticky and stays put. YMMV Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > I love WD-40 although I have never used it to lubricate a motorcycle > chain. It is a great solvent and loosens up anything. > > But for cleaning, NOTHING beats kerosene. It's easy on the hands, > leaves a wonderful lubricating afterglow, and will cut just about > anything out there. I use it on garage floors! > > Flammable - NOT! > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > On 3/26/2010 8:06 PM, Eric J Foster wrote: > > > > I agree with you Thor. I gave up a few years ago on religiously lubing > > an off road chain. I too have found that life is increased by merely > > cleaning the chain after every ride and saving the sticky goop for my > > streeter. I wash, then spray with WD to drive the water out and loosen > > any crud. The stuff is an awesome solvent. Which, btw makes me point > > oput the fact that if you think solvents are bad for your expensive > > chain, you may want to ponder that fact. I think those that find WD is > > the ultimate chain lube may find the same life from no lube at all. The > > WD is so light nothing clings to it, simpky because any lubingproperties > > have evaporated or been flung before it can attract any grime. > > > > If you're that serious on lubing the chain, take it off, toss in a metal > > vat of grease, and heat the whole shebang up until the grease softens. > > Then let it cool. This will suck grease through the rings. Personally, > > I'll just wreck the chain and buy a new one. I'd rather be out riding! > > Actually, on second though, make a pressure vessel, fill with chain and > > grease, and put the air to it! Crap, I better get on patenting that! > > > > I keep WD around my Pig Sty solely for Water Displacement and cleaning. > > It is the best (shy of gasoline) cleaner out there for clearing road > > slime and flung chain lube from the wheels of my street bike. It puts a > > nice sheen of plastic and rubber, along with anything but a gloss > > surface. Ditto for removing carbon marks, boot marks from plastic side > > panels, sticker gum, stuck boogers, and chicken flingings. > > > > It is such a poor performer as a lube, I have found it to be the felines > > anus for mounting tires and hand grips. The crap evaporates before you > > can finish the job and go for a ride. Whereas the "tried and true" dish > > soap makes for a slick bead the first time you hit a water hole. > > > > I keep cans of PB Blaster around for the penetrating and lubing issues. > > I've yet to find a better product for that, even the much more expensive > > CRC 5-56. > > > > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside > > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside> > > > > E > > > > >

Wow, I think that'd be a great idea. Goes on wet, evaporates leaving teflon film behind. AND my bike would smell like a scary black rifle that the general public would have to try and ban! Woohoo! E

On 3/27/2010 9:37 AM, Kevin Powers wrote: All right, as long as we are talking about wonder lubricants and cleaners, does anyone here use Break-Free CLP? http://www.break-free.com/?location=/products/index.asp on their motos? I used some a while back on my clutch cable (remember that thread? I was going to chime in on that but never did.) Anyhow, my current chain practice on the off road machines is a WD-40 rinse after washing the bike and a blast each day to flush off grit. -- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:23 PM, RobertWichert wrote: