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[jguarfn28]

I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-821338762 p {margin:0;}GS500s are good bikes, but they have a couple of quirks: The fuel and vacuum line routing is a bear, especially on the California models.  Essentially there are two petcocks, an "upper" petcock on the tank, and a "lower" down on the frame that you can get to with your hand. The upper petcock is operable with  a screwdriver once you unbolt the gas tank, and is only there in the event you need to remove the tank to work on the bike.  A common problem is forgetting to open the upper petcock when re-installing the tank, because you're concentrating on all the wierd fuel-line routing.  The carbs are kind of a pain, the lower end is a plastic bail-and-float assembly that comes out all in one piece.  There are a bunch of o-rings and other stuff to go bad on them.  The needle valves and seats have a tendency to leak on them, but replacements are not expensive or hard to find. Other than that, it's a Suzuki I-twin, and is very reliable mechanically.  Suzukis are known for wiring harness connector issues, but usually a cleaning with WD-40 is all that is required to get the water out of them (I've seen this a lot on SVs and DLs, not sure about other models). If it has been sitting, I would: Squirt some Marvel or something ( a couple of ml ) into the cylinders through the plug holes and turn the engine over a few times with the plugs out before trying to start it.  (watch out, it might come squirting out!) do a spark test in the traditional fashion.  If there is no spark, check interlocks.  Remember, it's a Suzuki, you have to hold in the clutch to start.  Use WD-40 on all the interlock points that you can get to (clutch, side-stand, etc.) once you have spark, re-install the plugs.  DO NOT turn on the fuel yet.  Take off the seat and you will see the airbox just under the tank.  Squirt some ether, carb cleaner, etc) into the air filter and crank to see if it hits.  at this point, you know if the engine is going to run or not. After this, you'll want to DRAIN THE TANK COMPLETELY and fill with fresh gas. More likely than not you will need to clean the carbs.  The GS500 is a B$*%H to remove and re-install the airbox-side boots. If it only has 700 miles or so, I can't possibly see how you can go wrong if you're somewhat mechanically inclined.  If you're in SoCal, I will help you if you buy the beer. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "jguarfn28" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:43:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ???   I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

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Attachments : #ygrps-yiv-1118343793 p {margin:0;} $0.02 on interlocks: If the clutch lever's is suspect, disconnect the two wires that plug into the interlock switch under the lever pivot. Next, get an ordinary blade-type fuse and plug the wires directly onto the fuse. That will effectively bypass the switch and the starter *should* turn over, if that was the problem. Be certain the bike is in neutral before you try that though. You can imagine what'd happen if it weren't.   eddie    

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] jeff@astatic.net [b]To: [/b]rcfoley@hotmail.com [b]Cc: [/b]DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] 12/20/2009 5:24:54 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ??? GS500s are good bikes, but they have a couple of quirks: The fuel and vacuum line routing is a bear, especially on the California models.  Essentially there are two petcocks, an "upper" petcock on the tank, and a "lower" down on the frame that you can get to with your hand. The upper petcock is operable with  a screwdriver once you unbolt the gas tank, and is only there in the event you need to remove the tank to work on the bike.  A common problem is forgetting to open the upper petcock when re-installing the tank, because you're concentrating on all the wierd fuel-line routing.  The carbs are kind of a pain, the lower end is a plastic bail-and-float assembly that comes out all in one piece.  There are a bunch of o-rings and other stuff to go bad on them.  The needle valves and seats have a tendency to leak on them, but replacements are not expensive or hard to find. Other than that, it's a Suzuki I-twin, and is very reliable mechanically.  Suzukis are known for wiring harness connector issues, but usually a cleaning with WD-40 is all that is required to get the water out of them (I've seen this a lot on SVs and DLs, not sure about other models). If it has been sitting, I would: Squirt some Marvel or something ( a couple of ml ) into the cylinders through the plug holes and turn the engine over a few times with the plugs out before trying to start it.  (watch out, it might come squirting out!) do a spark test in the traditional fashion.  If there is no spark, check interlocks.  Remember, it's a Suzuki, you have to hold in the clutch to start.  Use WD-40 on all the interlock points that you can get to (clutch, side-stand, etc.) once you have spark, re-install the plugs.  DO NOT turn on the fuel yet.  Take off the seat and you will see the airbox just under the tank.  Squirt some ether, carb cleaner, etc) into the air filter and crank to see if it hits.  at this point, you know if the engine is going to run or not. After this, you'll want to DRAIN THE TANK COMPLETELY and fill with fresh gas. More likely than not you will need to clean the carbs.  The GS500 is a B$*%H to remove and re-install the airbox-side boots. If it only has 700 miles or so, I can't possibly see how you can go wrong if you're somewhat mechanically inclined.  If you're in SoCal, I will help you if you buy the beer. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: "jguarfn28" rcfoley@hotmail.com> To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:43:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ???   I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-925710221 p {margin:0;}I just re-read your post and figured out it was a DUI interlock! Remove the damned thing first!  God/Jehovah/Allah only knows what that thing is doing, but it can't possibly be that hard to remove. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "jguarfn28" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:43:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ???   I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

[jeepaviation]

2010! We will need some ride reports... I wonder when the fuel injection kit will be offered?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "aaaaaaa" wrote: > > i just get my 2010 KLR so thanks alot for having me in this group i have alot to learn from u all, thanks ageen >

[Richard Decker]

They inturrupt the power to the ignition system/ECU/etc. On a bike it probably is disconnecting the wire to the CDI or coil. Depending on where you are, it may be a felony to remove it. -Rich

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jeff Khoury wrote: I just re-read your post and figured out it was a DUI interlock! Remove the damned thing first! God/Jehovah/Allah only knows what that thing is doing, but it can't possibly be that hard to remove. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jguarfn28" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:43:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ??? I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

-- - Rich Decker Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1423256092 p {margin:0;}**WARNING** Unqualified opinion follows...    Rick is most likely right, but that won't stop me! This is all conjectured opinion, and I've been painting a small room all day, so I might be a little high. If the new owner was not under a court-ordered mandate to have it installed, it would be very hard to make that stick... just a guess.  At that point, it becomes an accessory that the new owner simply reverted to a stock, safe and legal condition.  He may be obligated to return it to its rightful owner (the P.D. or whomever) but removing a device you are not mandated to have probably won't get you in much trouble.  But as stated before, I am definitely not a lawyer. Here in The People's Republic of California it's illegal to modify your motorcycle's fuel, air or exhaust system in any way that deviates from its stock configuration, yet straight-piped Harleys misalign my chi on a daily basis, without even so much as a lifted eyebrow from the fuzz.  My KLR is a big, rolling mass of illegality, because I have modified all three.  (tweetyectomy, carb shim and drill, airbox "L" mod, de-californicated, etc.).  Until they start inspecting bikes (which is a possibility, but I don't think it's likely), I'm in good shape.  Heck, I would have left the Evaporative Emission Control if it weren't in the way of adjusting the rear suspension.  The average J.Q. Law here doesn't give a rat's behind about bike mods. And I suppose the first time one of those malfunctions on the freeway and kills the ignition on a motorcycle causing an injury or death, the lawsuit will probably be astronomical.  When I was googling them, I found that most states will not even install them on motorcycles.  I guesstimate the safety factor is probably involved. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Decker" To: "Jeff Khoury" Cc: "jguarfn28" , "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:45:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ??? They inturrupt the power to the ignition system/ECU/etc.  On a bike it probably is disconnecting the wire to the CDI or coil.  Depending on where you are, it may be a felony to remove it. -Rich On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jeff Khoury wrote:   I just re-read your post and figured out it was a DUI interlock! Remove the damned thing first!  God/Jehovah/Allah only knows what that thing is doing, but it can't possibly be that hard to remove. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jguarfn28" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:43:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Buying a bike with Ignition Interlock ???   I'm looking at a used bike who's owner was sentenced to an ignition interlock on it. It has low miles,(730)but currently will not start even when he blows into it, so I can't hear the engine run. I have heard that it, (Ignition Interlock) needs to warm up, so could it being outside affect the ability or the sensor to let it start? The guy's a cancer patient now and needs to sell the bike. It's a Suzuki GS500 that turns over but will not fire. I'd like to see/hear the engine run before I buy it. Is this a bad idea? It is low on fuel so I am thinking about dumping a couple of gallons of premium with a can of seafoam in the tank and see what happens. Suggestions??? Thanks Rick

-- - Rich Decker Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.