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This is posted in the Face Plant forum on advrider.com: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/kills ... story.html  Stephen

I question the analysis by the police investigator: Police said it appears the motorcyclist dropped his machine onto the ground to avoid hitting the car that had turned into his path, but his momentum carried him into the intersection.

He was then run over by the car.

Police collisions investigator Wally McIlquham said the victim s decision to drop his bike was textbook accident prevention.

It s a manoeuvre you re taught when your biking, McIlquham said. You dump your bike. You don t go side-on with full speed into another vehicle. So he rolled out and the car drove over him.

Mike Martin, Louisville, KY [b]From:[/b] Stephen Grisanti [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:10:24 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   This is posted in the Face Plant forum on advrider.com: http://www.ottawaci tizen.com/ news/kills+ motorcyclist/ 2277684/story. html  Stephen

 He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I have been teaching rider education for 15 years and have never taught a student how to "lay-er-down" as a "text book safety maneuver." The cops learn how to lay their bikes down (after they are stopped) to use a shield in a gun battle. Fact of the matter is, once a bike is on the ground, directional control us lost and hard parts will put a bike and person into a vehicle at a higher rate of speed as apposed to using that grippy rubber to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. Drivers piss me off; out of the last ten accidents I have reviewed, 7 have run after they hit the rider... I do understand it is the car that makes them run, much like guns make people kill other people, both should be banned. TK [b]From:[/b] Michael Martin [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:53:48 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   I question the analysis by the police investigator: Police said it appears the motorcyclist dropped his machine onto the ground to avoid hitting the car that had turned into his path, but his momentum carried him into the intersection.

He was then run over by the car.

Police collisions investigator Wally McIlquham said the victim s decision to drop his bike was textbook accident prevention.

It s a manoeuvre you re taught when your biking, McIlquham said. You dump your bike. You don t go side-on with full speed into another vehicle. So he rolled out and the car drove over him.

Mike Martin, Louisville, KY [b]From:[/b] Stephen Grisanti [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:10:24 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   This is posted in the Face Plant forum on advrider.com: http://www.ottawaci tizen.com/ news/kills+ motorcyclist/ 2277684/story. html  Stephen

> It s > a manoeuvre you re taught when your biking, McIlquham said. You dump > your bike. You don t go side-on with full speed into another vehicle. > So he rolled out and the car drove over him. >

I have never understood "laying the bike down to avoid a crash" when the very act of laying the bike down IS A CRASH. -- Bill Lewis Roanoke, Virginia Professor of Motorcycleology 2004 R1150RT 1990 R100RT 2002 KLR 1978 Oldwing w/Friendship 1 Expect The Unexpected

I agree on the laying it down. People that claim they laid her down probably did like I did once and used way to much rear brake instead of the front brake and laid it down ... very painfully.I have been a victim of hit and run also. After the drunk SOB nailed me stopped at a light. I watched him drive off as I was laying on the ground. Don't ride at night unless you just absolutely have to. And helmets work....usually. Criswell On Nov 29, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Thomas Komjathy wrote:

   He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I have been teaching rider education for 15 years and have never taught a student how to "lay-er-down" as a "text book safety maneuver." The cops learn how to lay their bikes down (after they are stopped) to use a shield in a gun battle. Fact of the matter is, once a bike is on the ground, directional control us lost and hard parts will put a bike and person into a vehicle at a higher rate of speed as apposed to using that grippy rubber to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. Drivers piss me off; out of the last ten accidents I have reviewed, 7 have run after they hit the rider... I do understand it is the car that makes them run, much like guns make people kill other people, both should be banned. TK [b]From:[/b] Michael Martin [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:53:48 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   I question the analysis by the police investigator: Police said it appears the motorcyclist dropped his machine onto the ground to avoid hitting the car that had turned into his path, but his momentum carried him into the intersection.

He was then run over by the car.

Police collisions investigator Wally McIlquham said the victim s decision to drop his bike was textbook accident prevention.

It s a manoeuvre you re taught when your biking, McIlquham said. You dump your bike. You don t go side-on with full speed into another vehicle. So he rolled out and the car drove over him.

Mike Martin, Louisville, KY [b]From:[/b] Stephen Grisanti [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:10:24 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   This is posted in the Face Plant forum on advrider.com: http://www.ottawaci tizen.com/ news/kills+ motorcyclist/ 2277684/story. html  Stephen

Wow. What a view. I like the attachment idea. It really brings the emails to life. I plan to attach some photos I have taken on Saturday rides. When you have a KLR, you can find nice scenery even in ILL. Maybe not as spectactular as this one, but nice none the less.   Rick A17 [b]From:[/b] greg saunders [b]To:[/b] charlesf@...; klr dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sat, November 21, 2009 7:13:52 PM [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Attachments  

Here is one of my favorite places.  I often go out here and camp for the better part of a week.  Each day we ride in a different direction.   Would anyone be interested in doing this next summer?   Thanks,   Greg   To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com From: charlesf@epix. net Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:44:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Attachments   Well, since photos are allowed, and I bothered the list several times about what seat to buy......... . Here is a photo of my 2009 Ebony KLR with the Africa Dual Platform seat I got from Fred Hink........ . It is one sweet ride........ I just wish it was warm enough to do some real riding. I've gotten about 100 miles on the seat, max......... Chuck F. NE PA Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.

The term "I had to layer down" is code for, I don't have the ability to swerve or brake properly. Recently I had to listen to a woman tell me how her boyfriend saved their lives by "laying it down." She said, he was going about 60 when a car pulled out in front of them and they were only a couple hundred feet away. He layed it down and they slid under the SUV, but they would have had far more injuries if they had hit it and gone over the top. This told as she sat there with two broken arms, leg, head halo... Oh, her boyfriend was still recovering in the hospital. My experience as a rider educator is; you can't convince them otherwise, they will stick to their beliefs like a Gorilla on a banana.  Yes, the most common cause of low and highside falls when breaking is the locked rear wheel, once locked there's no directional control. TK [b]From:[/b] "roncriswell@..." [b]To:[/b] Thomas Komjathy [b]Cc:[/b] Michael Martin ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Mon, November 30, 2009 7:47:00 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa I agree on the laying it down. People that claim they laid her down probably did like I did once and used way to much rear brake instead of the front brake and laid it down ... very painfully.I have been a victim of hit and run also. After the drunk SOB nailed me stopped at a light. I watched him drive off as I was laying on the ground. Don't ride at night unless you just absolutely have to. And helmets work....usually. Criswell On Nov 29, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Thomas Komjathy wrote:

   He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I have been teaching rider education for 15 years and have never taught a student how to "lay-er-down" as a "text book safety maneuver." The cops learn how to lay their bikes down (after they are stopped) to use a shield in a gun battle. Fact of the matter is, once a bike is on the ground, directional control us lost and hard parts will put a bike and person into a vehicle at a higher rate of speed as apposed to using that grippy rubber to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. Drivers piss me off; out of the last ten accidents I have reviewed, 7 have run after they hit the rider... I do understand it is the car that makes them run, much like guns make people kill other people, both should be banned. TK [b]From:[/b] Michael Martin [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:53:48 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   I question the analysis by the police investigator: Police said it appears the motorcyclist dropped his machine onto the ground to avoid hitting the car that had turned into his path, but his momentum carried him into the intersection.

He was then run over by the car.

Police collisions investigator Wally McIlquham said the victim s decision to drop his bike was textbook accident prevention.

It s a manoeuvre you re taught when your biking, McIlquham said. You dump your bike. You don t go side-on with full speed into another vehicle. So he rolled out and the car drove over him.

Mike Martin, Louisville, KY [b]From:[/b] Stephen Grisanti [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sun, November 29, 2009 4:10:24 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Looks like a KLR - rider killed in hit and run in Ottawa   This is posted in the Face Plant forum on advrider.com: http://www.ottawaci tizen.com/ news/kills+ motorcyclist/ 2277684/story. html  Stephen