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I've used the silicon-sealant method to glue a clip to ensure it doesn't come off. Clean it well, and the silicon won't be affected by chain lube, etc. I've also safety-wired a number of clips. One loop of wire, around the link plate and clip. Because the clip is on an outer link, and the inner link is what contacts the sprocket, the safety wire has plenty of space. Riveting the clip on is good, too, though I haven't done it myself. As long as you do *something* extra to ensure the clip stays on, you're in good shape. Chris Jeffrey wrote:

> I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. > > It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety wire. > > I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. > > Jeffrey > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Just make sure the clip is installed correctly, and ride. I have owned 36 bikes, and have been riding for 37 years. Never ever lost, or broke a master link. Rick A17 ________________________________ From: Chris Norloff Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:12:17 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire I've used the silicon-sealant method to glue a clip to ensure it doesn't come off. Clean it well, and the silicon won't be affected by chain lube, etc. I've also safety-wired a number of clips. One loop of wire, around the link plate and clip. Because the clip is on an outer link, and the inner link is what contacts the sprocket, the safety wire has plenty of space. Riveting the clip on is good, too, though I haven't done it myself. As long as you do *something* extra to ensure the clip stays on, you're in good shape. Chris Jeffrey wrote:

> I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. > > It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety wire. > > I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. > > Jeffrey > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links > > > > >

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Jeffrey, Been a while, but when I 'safetied' the clip I'd put 1 wrap around it ending outside, then I'd twist the ends, cut it about 1/4" out, then fold it back to the sideplate. As you mentioned (paraphrased), fish swim upstream so set the clip (fish) that way. NEVER had one fall off, and that includes racing a drag-bike as well as enduros. Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. > > It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety wire. > > I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. > > Jeffrey >

I can't stop chuckling to myself over that... You said "fish swim upstream". Immediately I (the frog) says "Rivet Rivet Rivet". HA! I kill me. (stupid 80's TV show reference) -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "fasteddiecopeman" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:00:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire Jeffrey, Been a while, but when I 'safetied' the clip I'd put 1 wrap around it ending outside, then I'd twist the ends, cut it about 1/4" out, then fold it back to the sideplate. As you mentioned (paraphrased), fish swim upstream so set the clip (fish) that way. NEVER had one fall off, and that includes racing a drag-bike as well as enduros. Ed --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "Jeffrey" wrote: > > I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. > > It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety wire. > > I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. > > Jeffrey > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In all seriousness, even though putting the clip on with the closed end toward the direction of chain travel will help prevent the clip from getting knocked off should it contact part of the bike under normal forward motion it can still be knocked off if it contacts a part of the bike while it is being pushed backwards. Also if you look at the big picture when the clip is traveling along the bottom run of the chain with the clip installed as above the open end of the clip is actually moving forward in relation to the ground as if it is now going backwards so it can still get knocked off by contacting a rock or tree branch even if silicone or epoxy is used. Think about it. This explains why those who have done everything correctly to prevent lose of the clip still find them missing. Walt -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Khoury" Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:08 PM To: "fasteddiecopeman" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire

> I can't stop chuckling to myself over that... > > You said "fish swim upstream". Immediately I (the frog) says "Rivet Rivet > Rivet". > > HA! I kill me. (stupid 80's TV show reference) > > -Jeff Khoury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fasteddiecopeman" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:00:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire > > > > > > > Jeffrey, > Been a while, but when I 'safetied' the clip I'd put 1 wrap around it > ending outside, then I'd twist the ends, cut it about 1/4" out, then fold > it back to the sideplate. As you mentioned (paraphrased), fish swim > upstream so set the clip (fish) that way. NEVER had one fall off, and that > includes racing a drag-bike as well as enduros. > Ed > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "Jeffrey" wrote: >> >> I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. >> Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. >> Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. >> >> It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches >> something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). >> But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the >> sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety >> wire. >> >> I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either >> because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. >> >> Jeffrey >> > >

Interesting point, Walt. Depending on the odds of the chain contacting part of the bike vs. contacting something on the ground while moving or even contacting something on the ground while tipped over, there could be an argument in favor of reversing the clip from the normal conventional wisdom (fish swimming upstream). Makes using safety wire all the more reassuring. Mike Martin Louisville, KY ________________________________ From: k650 To: Jeff Khoury ; fasteddiecopeman Cc: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:24:53 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire In all seriousness, even though putting the clip on with the closed end toward the direction of chain travel will help prevent the clip from getting knocked off should it contact part of the bike under normal forward motion it can still be knocked off if it contacts a part of the bike while it is being pushed backwards. Also if you look at the big picture when the clip is traveling along the bottom run of the chain with the clip installed as above the open end of the clip is actually moving forward in relation to the ground as if it is now going backwards so it can still get knocked off by contacting a rock or tree branch even if silicone or epoxy is used. Think about it. This explains why those who have done everything correctly to prevent lose of the clip still find them missing. Walt ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -- From: "Jeff Khoury" Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:08 PM To: "fasteddiecopeman" Cc: "DSN KLR650" Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire

> I can't stop chuckling to myself over that... > > You said "fish swim upstream". Immediately I (the frog) says "Rivet Rivet > Rivet". > > HA! I kill me. (stupid 80's TV show reference) > > -Jeff Khoury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fasteddiecopeman" > To: "DSN KLR650" > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:00:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Master link clip Safety Wire > > > > > > > Jeffrey, > Been a while, but when I 'safetied' the clip I'd put 1 wrap around it > ending outside, then I'd twist the ends, cut it about 1/4" out, then fold > it back to the sideplate. As you mentioned (paraphrased) , fish swim > upstream so set the clip (fish) that way. NEVER had one fall off, and that > includes racing a drag-bike as well as enduros. > Ed > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com , "Jeffrey" wrote: >> >> I never bothered safety wiring my clip and I never had one come off. >> Reusing the masterlink clip several times isn't probably a good idea. >> Though I have rebent them in the past to give them more tension. >> >> It is obvious to me which way the clip should point so that if it touches >> something it would be pushed on more instead of off(when going forward). >> But, I don't get how to safety wire one because I would think the >> sprocket teeth would hit the wire unless u used really anarexic safety >> wire. >> >> I also hear people glue the clip on which doesn't make sense to me either >> because the chain lube or oil or wd40 would screw up the glue. >> >> Jeffrey >> > >

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> [Original Message] > From: Jeff Khoury > I can't stop chuckling to myself over that... > > You said "fish swim upstream". Immediately I (the frog) says "Rivet Rivet

Rivet".

> > HA! I kill me. (stupid 80's TV show reference) > > -Jeff Khoury > >

I've been using the Trail-Tech SMCR16 Flood lights mounted on the forks as aux HID lighting. The ballasts are internal and the metal enclosures are pretty much waterproof (they have a decent bulb gasket to keep out water. A little pricey but they work well and are very bright. have them wired to an insulated universal motorcycle handlebar switch. http://trailtech.net/single_hid_scmr16.html Steve, SE Penna Blue '08 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]