should i fix the motor or to try to find a new (used) one ? adv

[Lourd Baltimore]

I've had a strange noise coming from the front of my car for a a few months now. Of course I should have fixed it earlier, but that bridge has been crossed (or burned?). The symptoms are: - At low speed for a few minutes after the car has been started there seems to be a slight grinding noise when the wheel is deflected slightly to the right. It almost sounds like noise when your brakes are worn and grinding the rotor, but I'm fairly certain that the brakes are fine since they were serviced not too long ago and there are no other worn-out brakes symptoms. - At higher speeds (especially around 50 mph) slight -right-deflections of the wheel cause a groaning/growling/buzzing noise. Sometimes the noise is painfully obvious. Depressing the clutch and letting the engine idle while traveling does not affect the noise so I think I can rule out the engine. My guess is the CV joint or wheel bearings. This guess is helped along by the fact that I had a Saturn a few years ago which had similar symptoms and the wheel bearing needed replacing. The guess is also helped along by the fact that the symptoms started to show not long after we had a big snow (well, big for my neck of the UK) and I perhaps had a little too much fun on some snow covered back roads. I'm sure I got some crud jammed up under the CV boot or damaged it by playing rally driver through the snow. I can also say that that is what I also did in my Saturn during a snow storm in MD just before that car started showing the same symptoms. I guess I never learn. In summary, could someone help confirm my suspicions or offer an alternative? I took it to my local garage when the symptoms first showed, but they weren't sure. So I figured I could help them narrow it down a bit. I don't think it matters, but for reference, my car is a 1998 Peugeot 306 turbo-diesel. Thanks, Josh A7 (waiting for me back in MD) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Shane]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Lourd Baltimore wrote:

> > I've had a strange noise coming from the front of my car for a a few months now. Of course I should have fixed it earlier, but that bridge has been crossed (or burned?). > > The symptoms are: > > - At low speed for a few minutes after the car has been started there seems to be a slight grinding noise when the wheel is deflected slightly to the right. > It almost sounds like noise when your brakes are worn and grinding the rotor, but I'm fairly certain that the brakes are fine since they were serviced not too long ago and > there are no other worn-out brakes symptoms. > > - At higher speeds (especially around 50 mph) slight -right-deflections of the wheel cause a groaning/growling/buzzing noise. Sometimes the noise is painfully obvious. > Depressing the clutch and letting the engine idle while traveling does not affect the noise so I think I can rule out the engine. > > My guess is the CV joint or wheel bearings. This guess is helped along by the fact that I had a Saturn a few years ago which had similar symptoms and the wheel bearing needed replacing. > The guess is also helped along by the fact that the symptoms started to show not long after we had a big snow (well, big for my neck of the UK) and I perhaps had a little too much > fun on some snow covered back roads. I'm sure I got some crud jammed up under the CV boot or damaged it by playing rally driver through the snow. I can also say that that is what > I also did in my Saturn during a snow storm in MD just before that car started showing the same symptoms. I guess I never learn. > > > In summary, could someone help confirm my suspicions or offer an alternative? I took it to my local garage when the symptoms first showed, but they weren't sure. > So I figured I could help them narrow it down a bit. > > I don't think it matters, but for reference, my car is a 1998 Peugeot 306 turbo-diesel. > > Thanks, > > Josh > A7 (waiting for me back in MD)

OH NOOOO...a Peugeot!!! You have a bad wheel bearing, no question. You also have a very bad vehicle, but that goes with it. My Wife asked me one day why you don't see those in the U.S., I said because you couldn't run fast enough to GIVE one to a Gringo. Odd though that you can sell a Harley here. Go figure.

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[Rick McCauley]

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[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

CV joint: you'll hear "clicking" or grinding noises (like a horse chewing on gravel), or a sound like loose lug nuts on very low-speed tight-radius turns. Bearings: the sound is more of a continual groaning that gets louder and/or changes pitch as speed increases. If it's on the left side, the sound will be more pronounce and a hard steer to the right, and almost disappear on a hard steer to the left - and vice-versa. Assuming your CV boots are not breached, my money is on a bad bearing in your case. Mark

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Lourd Baltimore wrote:

> > I've had a strange noise coming from the front of my car for a a few months now. Of course I should have fixed it earlier, but that bridge has been crossed (or burned?). > > The symptoms are: > > - At low speed for a few minutes after the car has been started there seems to be a slight grinding noise when the wheel is deflected slightly to the right. > It almost sounds like noise when your brakes are worn and grinding the rotor, but I'm fairly certain that the brakes are fine since they were serviced not too long ago and > there are no other worn-out brakes symptoms. > > - At higher speeds (especially around 50 mph) slight -right-deflections of the wheel cause a groaning/growling/buzzing noise. Sometimes the noise is painfully obvious. > Depressing the clutch and letting the engine idle while traveling does not affect the noise so I think I can rule out the engine. > > My guess is the CV joint or wheel bearings. This guess is helped along by the fact that I had a Saturn a few years ago which had similar symptoms and the wheel bearing needed replacing. > The guess is also helped along by the fact that the symptoms started to show not long after we had a big snow (well, big for my neck of the UK) and I perhaps had a little too much > fun on some snow covered back roads. I'm sure I got some crud jammed up under the CV boot or damaged it by playing rally driver through the snow. I can also say that that is what > I also did in my Saturn during a snow storm in MD just before that car started showing the same symptoms. I guess I never learn. > > > In summary, could someone help confirm my suspicions or offer an alternative? I took it to my local garage when the symptoms first showed, but they weren't sure. > So I figured I could help them narrow it down a bit. > > I don't think it matters, but for reference, my car is a 1998 Peugeot 306 turbo-diesel. > > Thanks, > > Josh

I don't know about your problem, but having owned several peugeots myself, I will say that you are a brave man.

[Jeff Saline]

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:15:21 -0000 "steventbarnett" writes:

> OK, here's the sad tale... and I need some advice and ideas from the > group (sorry for the long post): > > I just got back from Brazil after riding my 2006 KLR 20,000 miles

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> So any ideas will be greatly appreciated. > Steve

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Steve, Here is my two cents worth. I'm unclear about the 1" hole and crack in the valve cover. Not sure where you are saying the hole is. But I do know a 1" hole isn't a good thing. : ) I think the first thing I'd do is drain the oil in a clean container and examine it for particles. Same for the oil filter. I'd drain it for a day or two and then cut it open so I could examine the media for particles. If I found lots of material in the oil or filter I'd be concerned about the bottom end of the engine. I'd probably open the right side of the engine and examine the oil pick up screen if there seemed to be lots of particles in the oil or filter. I would clean the outside of the top end as a minimum so when I opened the engine it would not get contaminated inside from the crud on the outside of the engine. I'd pull the valve cover and examine the cams and valves to see what's up. I'd look at the cam chain for proper timing and not adjust anything until I was sure of what I was looking at and had recorded my observations. I'd probably pull the sparkplug and examine it and look into the combustion chamber to see whatever I could see. The observations made from the above inspections would help determine the next course of action. If the bottom end is probably ok and it's just the top end that has problems I'd probably consider a used top end with a 685 kit. Have all the machine work done in the states and then pick up the new cylinder and piston etc set up in December when visiting your family. If you need a different head I'd do that at the same time. I think a suggested 685 boring shop is located in CA. As a general rule, nobody cares more about your bike (stuff) than you. I think if you can take the top end apart for inspection you can replace the top end if you really want to. If you pay someone to do the work for you I'd suggest it might be a gamble as to whether it will be assembled correctly. It might also be a gamble if you do the work but I'll guess you will do a better job than the majority of mechanics you'll find at your location. You'll probably do a better job than many mechanics in the states too. Hope this is helpful. Please keep the list informed as to progress and questions. As long as you don't have a time constraint on getting the bike running I think you can take care of this situation for a reasonable price and amount of work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . ____________________________________________________________ Top-Rated Cork Floor Pros Get free cork flooring bids today from top local flooring pros. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=ZMX4y_7beDcpgcQ32JtgSgAAJ1DWfJIDP-R0_NC3mMpGFS0kAAQAAAAFAAAAAIk7Fz4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRIXAAAAAA==

[Lourd Baltimore]

Thanks, for the replies from everyone. I'll have the shop focus on the bearings. As for the Peugeot comments, well all I can say is the XUD9 diesel engine is a rock and a decent performer in turbocharged form. That being said, the gearbox is trash, the electrics could be more reliable, and the handling is...funny. So we bought a '76 VW Type 2 for pleasure and as a back up vehicle. Josh . ________________________________ From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:01:44 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - CV Joint / Wheel Bearing

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Lourd Baltimore wrote: > > I've had a strange noise coming from the front of my car for a a few months now. Of course I should have fixed it earlier, but that bridge has been crossed (or burned?). > > The symptoms are: > > - At low speed for a few minutes after the car has been started there seems to be a slight grinding noise when the wheel is deflected slightly to the right. > It almost sounds like noise when your brakes are worn and grinding the rotor, but I'm fairly certain that the brakes are fine since they were serviced not too long ago and > there are no other worn-out brakes symptoms. > > - At higher speeds (especially around 50 mph) slight -right-deflections of the wheel cause a groaning/growling/ buzzing noise. Sometimes the noise is painfully obvious. > Depressing the clutch and letting the engine idle while traveling does not affect the noise so I think I can rule out the engine. > > My guess is the CV joint or wheel bearings. This guess is helped along by the fact that I had a Saturn a few years ago which had similar symptoms and the wheel bearing needed replacing. > The guess is also helped along by the fact that the symptoms started to show not long after we had a big snow (well, big for my neck of the UK) and I perhaps had a little too much > fun on some snow covered back roads. I'm sure I got some crud jammed up under the CV boot or damaged it by playing rally driver through the snow. I can also say that that is what > I also did in my Saturn during a snow storm in MD just before that car started showing the same symptoms. I guess I never learn. > > > In summary, could someone help confirm my suspicions or offer an alternative? I took it to my local garage when the symptoms first showed, but they weren't sure. > So I figured I could help them narrow it down a bit. > > I don't think it matters, but for reference, my car is a 1998 Peugeot 306 turbo-diesel. > > Thanks, > > Josh I don't know about your problem, but having owned several peugeots myself, I will say that you are a brave man. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]