Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Sun May 03, 2009 10:56 pm**

Hello All, This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, they are: 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be rebuilt? 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller windshield for highway use? 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 degree mornings. 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs from the 2008 changes? Thanks all in advance for any answers, Dennis...

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2009 12:46 am**

Dennis, Here are my thoughts on the '08-'09s: 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be rebuilt? I've heard 60,000+ miles. YMMV 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? About 4500 or so. If you change the countershaft sprocket to a 16T, you can run 80mph at around 5000. 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? Not bad at all. I have the 16T sprocket and it cruises quite comfortably at 70. Doesn't feel like it's straining a bit. I live in LA where highway speeds are almost never 60, they usually run 75 to 80, which is what I ride most of the time. It's certainly not a 4 cyl touring bike, but my hands don't get numb, and I don't notice the vibration unless I think about it. 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? I get between 42 and 47 in mixed riding, depending on how my right wrist feels, I would expect about 50 at 65mph on the freeway. My brother has gotten as low as 35mpg, but that was facing a 30+mph headwind on I-5 for over an hour, the throttle was pinned in 5th and he was only making like 65mph. 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller windshield for highway use? I have the Kawasaki touring windscreen and the wind protection is excellent (for a dual sport). The buffeting at 80mph vibrates just the top of my helmet (I'm 6'0" and 180 or so.). At under 70, it's quite comfortable and the buffeting is considerably reduced. With the 16T sprocket flat out on the freeway it will just top 100MPH top speed. Stability above 80 greatly depends on loading, road surface and suspension tuning. 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 degree mornings. I feel very little wind on my neck and torso with the touring windscreen. I do feel quite a bit of wind on my arms, but the stock plastic handguards really keep the wind off the hands. On a 40 degree day I can wear summer weight gloves comfortably. 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs from the 2008 changes? I have heard of no significant changes to the 2010 model, other than the two recall items will be fixed from the factory. Muffler bolts and wiring harness re-route. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "bufbooth" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:56:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 KLR650 Hello All, This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, they are: 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be rebuilt? 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller windshield for highway use? 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 degree mornings. 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs from the 2008 changes? Thanks all in advance for any answers, Dennis... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2009 7:36 am**

I have a 99 with 50,000 on it but did have a top end job done at about 25,000 due to oil use and smoke after a trip to Mexico. Some say the oil rings aren't up to snuff. 2 friends have put a 685 kit on their KLR. The KLR is amazingly comfortable cruising on the HWY. Vibrations are not bad at all for a big single but I have Pro Gel grips. People who own bigger bikes ask me how I can stand riding it for long distances. Honestly the seating position is more comfortable than my Concours even after I have raised the bars and lowered the pegs on the Connie. I cruise for hours on end at around 5200 rpm (between 75 - 80 indicated) in all kinds of weather including extreme heat. I have done numerous 650 - 750 mile days. There is plenty of farkles to buy for this cheap bike to make it what ever you want (except a real dirt bike). But it is certainly adequate for fire roads, gravel even mud and sand after you learn how to ride in that stuff. I have known quite a few guys riding them 50, 60, 70,000 doing nothing buy normal maintenance. The DR 650 and the Honda XL 650 are more dirt worthy but if you want to ride to Alaska and or put a lot of miles on one, the KLR will do the job better I think. Plus you become a member of a club that includes far right, far left and in between people which make interesting discussions. And you don't have to wash it or shine it. The new model seems to have better wind protection and seats. Criswell

On May 4, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > Dennis, > > Here are my thoughts on the '08-'09s: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > > I've heard 60,000+ miles. YMMV > > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > > About 4500 or so. If you change the countershaft sprocket to a 16T, > you can run 80mph at around 5000. > > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > > Not bad at all. I have the 16T sprocket and it cruises quite > comfortably at 70. Doesn't feel like it's straining a bit. I live > in LA where highway speeds are almost never 60, they usually run 75 > to 80, which is what I ride most of the time. It's certainly not a > 4 cyl touring bike, but my hands don't get numb, and I don't notice > the vibration unless I think about it. > > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > > I get between 42 and 47 in mixed riding, depending on how my right > wrist feels, I would expect about 50 at 65mph on the freeway. My > brother has gotten as low as 35mpg, but that was facing a 30+mph > headwind on I-5 for over an hour, the throttle was pinned in 5th > and he was only making like 65mph. > > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > > I have the Kawasaki touring windscreen and the wind protection is > excellent (for a dual sport). The buffeting at 80mph vibrates just > the top of my helmet (I'm 6'0" and 180 or so.). At under 70, it's > quite comfortable and the buffeting is considerably reduced. With > the 16T sprocket flat out on the freeway it will just top 100MPH > top speed. Stability above 80 greatly depends on loading, road > surface and suspension tuning. > > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > > I feel very little wind on my neck and torso with the touring > windscreen. I do feel quite a bit of wind on my arms, but the stock > plastic handguards really keep the wind off the hands. On a 40 > degree day I can wear summer weight gloves comfortably. > > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > I have heard of no significant changes to the 2010 model, other > than the two recall items will be fixed from the factory. Muffler > bolts and wiring harness re-route. > > -Jeff Khoury > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bufbooth" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:56:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 > KLR650 > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, > and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the > light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda > that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can > take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least > once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the > fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to > make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) > and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and > have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last > bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have > most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one > day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2009 7:55 am**

Dennis, Let me say up front I have very little experience with the 08 and 09 KLRs. But I've ridden my 03 just under 26,000 smiles on dirt, gravel, cow pasture, paved, secondary and highway. I've currently got 5 bikes and if I could only have one bike from any in the world it would be the KLR, pre 08. Not much changed on the 08s and later for engine performance. They did a bit with brakes, suspension (forks and swing arm immediately come to mind) and fairing and it is a little more pavement oriented than the earlier models. I ride without a windshield on mine so take that as me admitting "I like the wind in my face". I'm sure the later models give much more wind protection than the earlier models. Some of the earlier 2008 engines had/have an oil use problem. A fix that works pretty good is to install a 685 kit from Schnitz Racing. But many folks report well over 50,000 miles without having to do anything to the top end other than a couple of valve adjustments. For the bottom end replacing the doohickey with an EagleMike doo and his torsion spring is smart money in my book. Adding a Thermo-Bob to the cooling system will help overall engine life and might improve fuel economy by 1-2 mpg. For hand protection you can easily add heated grips which from your background I'm thinking you haven't used. I ride in temps down to about 10 degrees and the heated grips combined with a heated vest make the colder rides very enjoyable. The KLR charging system will handle heated grips and a heated vest at the same time if you aren't using both on high and keep the rpms up. I use a heat troller on the vest and a dual control heat troller on the grips. Check out www.warmnsafe.com (I think that's right, you can google warm n safe if it's wrong) to learn more about heat trollers. Another feature I've added to my KLR is a Vista Cruise throttle lock. It makes long days in the saddle a pleasure as you can rest your right hand. I've ridden my KLR from New Mexico to South Dakota (812 miles) in one day. Not fast, but steady. The fuel tank makes this a fine longer distance bike. If I was only going to do local rides I'd probably get a Suzuki DRZ650 which feels a bit lighter and is a fine bike on pavement or in the dirt. I run my 03 with different gearing than stock as I ride more dirt and back roads than fast. Top speed for me usually is 65 mph. I get 52 mpg most of the time. My oil changes should be done no further apart than 2,000 miles based on oil analysis on my bike using Rotella T 15w/40 dino oil. You can run synthetic if you want but the oil compartment of a KLR is very harsh and I don't think it will be any better for your engine or wallet than the dino oil. I use Emgo 10-30000 oil filters which only cost about $2.50 and are available from shops ordering from Parts Unlimited. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT On Mon, 04 May 2009 03:56:23 -0000 "bufbooth" writes:

> Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got > my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, > in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and > in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the > light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda > that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can > take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), > so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact > that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if > more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the > fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have > liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, > since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of > my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with > 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway > speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

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Posted: **Mon May 04, 2009 7:50 pm**

Here is my two cents after 20K on a 2005. I am expecting 60K on my before any work, that is assuming I get off my butt and check my valve clearances. I run a 16T front sprocket which has knocked down the rpm a bit at hwy speed and it still has the push I need for my commuting and occasional loaded down road trips. I didn't care for the vibration in the handlebars, but calmed it with gel grips. They are worth the money. I replaced the seat with a Corbin and like it better than stock. For long trips, wearing a pair of padded bicycle shorts under the riding pants make the seat even better. Also good for horses. My MPG has never been quite as good as some others. 48 is usually my best on the hwy at speed. Most my riding is above 6,000 feet, so maybe that makes difference. As soon as the roads clear of snow, which is usually mid or late April I ride. Using a heated jacket, I do pretty well in the 30's. The hand guards aren't particularly good for much other than a windbreak, which is all I ask of them. A tall windshield keeps a little wind off your chest, but for me it dumps it right at the neck, which is the chink in my riding armor. Always cold around the neck. Don't have an opinion about 09 vs 10, other than to say the bike you are waiting will never be as good as the one in your garage. Keith Idaho KLR

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "bufbooth" wrote: > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... >

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2009 7:57 pm**

I have about 30k on my 08, I love it's handling, braking, comfort 1000 times more than previous models, but it's reliability has sucked. I now know what can go wrong, so it will never leave me stranded again (fingers crossed) but getting there was horrible. My previous 04 never once left me stranded (Till I cut it into a car door at 45) but this 08 has left me scratching my head in the wilderness 7 times. Always electrical, starter switch went bad but shorted main fuse every time before showing signs, and harness under tank sucks and needs to be adressed on day one. Buy skid plate, crash bars, and hand guards or you will regret it, thats 100% for sure. Sean. Kinda Looney Rider. Sean Brown Email me if you need the perfect morthers day gift! A solar powered stained glass birdhouse! ________________________________ From: hobbhavnklr650 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 5:50:31 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 KLR650 Here is my two cents after 20K on a 2005. I am expecting 60K on my before any work, that is assuming I get off my butt and check my valve clearances. I run a 16T front sprocket which has knocked down the rpm a bit at hwy speed and it still has the push I need for my commuting and occasional loaded down road trips. I didn't care for the vibration in the handlebars, but calmed it with gel grips. They are worth the money. I replaced the seat with a Corbin and like it better than stock. For long trips, wearing a pair of padded bicycle shorts under the riding pants make the seat even better. Also good for horses. My MPG has never been quite as good as some others. 48 is usually my best on the hwy at speed. Most my riding is above 6,000 feet, so maybe that makes difference. As soon as the roads clear of snow, which is usually mid or late April I ride. Using a heated jacket, I do pretty well in the 30's. The hand guards aren't particularly good for much other than a windbreak, which is all I ask of them. A tall windshield keeps a little wind off your chest, but for me it dumps it right at the neck, which is the chink in my riding armor. Always cold around the neck. Don't have an opinion about 09 vs 10, other than to say the bike you are waiting will never be as good as the one in your garage. Keith Idaho KLR

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "bufbooth" wrote: > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Tue May 05, 2009 12:22 am**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "bufbooth" wrote: I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) ~~~~I have an 08' KLR I bought new in late 07'. The OEM seat may be better than the previous models but it's no good for extended riding IMO. It's too narrow for starters but then I've owned/ridden three different Russell saddles (2 on an ST 1100, 1 on a Honda Silverwing scooter) and am used to much better seating than stock anything Everyone has different pain thresholds but if I were to do more LD work with my KLR, I'd look to invest in a better saddle. In the past few days I rode 950 miles round trip to do an RTE in LA (lower Alabama=:-) First day out I got most of the way there (450 miles) and was hurting big time from the sadddle. Prior to starting that day I used Gold Bond powder and wore some bicycle shorts under my riding pants (Ranger 2 by Olmpia) It was a hot ride for late spring (upper 80's) so prickly heat was an irritant. the ride back the following day for most of the return trip was done in cooler weather due to riding later into the night, a seating improvement due to lower temps but the narrow seat still made the ride (for me) un-pleasureable to a certain extent. I've always said the worst day on the road beats the best day at home, and even with the marginal KLR saddle it was still a fun trip, but I would advise you to consider budgeting for a better saddle if you want to ride a KLR cross country At the RTE I ended up at (Ezell's Lavacca AL) I met up with fellow 08' KLR rider Mike McCain. Mike bought and uses a Sargent saddle on his KLR and claims it allows him to ride pain free. Pain free is a relative term but anything has to be better than a stock KLR saddle for riding slab miles. Mike told me he gave $350 for his off the shelf Sargent saddle new from them. That included *their* seat pan. His is a regular saddle and Mike claims Sargent builds a shorter height KLR saddle for thiose short of inseam Answering some of your other questions, I don't see vibration as an issue with MY KLR at 60 MPH or any other speed. Although the fairing on 08' models have been improved concerning weather protection vs. previous models, it ain't no Gold Wing so if you're riding in a frog strangler, wear good wet gear cause you're going to need it. On hot days I like the minimalist bodywork and have and wear Joe Rocket pants and jacket, amongst other riding suits I own and use The stock hand shields are good at keeping the elements off the back of your hands. The dirt riders take them off for better dirt options but for a street rider that sees occasional dirt duty, I'm leaving my OEM hand protectors on In regards to your windscreen questions, all I've used is the OEM flyscreen. I wear a full face helmet most of the time and find that the oem screen does a good job paired with a full face helmet but if you are going to do a lot of slab work, you may want more wind protection that a taller shield would provide MPG?, I ride my bike hard so I don't get the mileage others here claim to get. This recent trip riding slab keeping the RPM's at 5 K and below I was seeing mid forties MPG HTH Jake Reddick Fla. > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... >

Posted: **Tue May 05, 2009 11:56 am**

Dennis I have a 08 with 29000 kilometers on it about 18000 miles. I have rode it across our country (Canada) Sea to Sea with a friend on an identical bike . His is red mine is blue. Blue is the fastest!!!!! The average Mileage per imperial; Gallon is approx.60-62 MPG (52 US) I have got as high as 66 MPG (Imperial gallons) That will be about 55 US MPG Engine life I don't know and hope I don't find out!!!! Around 4700 4800 RPM @ 60 MPH I should have looked on my way in this A.M. I have both windshields I use the tall one the most . It is an Kawasaki one. There are better ones out there. The wind protection I think is fine I also ride March through November. I have Hot Grips installed and they work well. As far as 09-10 Model years I am not sure of any improvments made. I was told that they fixed and oil burning issue they had with the 08. I use Mobil One 10W40 synthetic oil. Mine is not bad on Oil . About 3000 Kilometers per Liter and that is at high way speeds If you go slower none at all. I have Happy Trails Crash bars, skid plate Highway pegs and a Corbin Stepped seat. The seat is not great ,but it does help us vertically challenged folk. The Doo is done. I have gone through 3 sets of tires . I am now using MEFOs and like them. Good luck, have fun & be safe. Paul from Canada ________________________________ From: bufbooth To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:56:23 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 KLR650 Hello All, This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, they are: 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be rebuilt? 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller windshield for highway use? 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 degree mornings. 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs from the 2008 changes? Thanks all in advance for any answers, Dennis... __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Tue May 05, 2009 3:25 pm**

My experiences are similar. I only have 7K miles on mine but have experienced no problems except for a binding trip reset button which I fixed with a bit of grease. When I first got the bike in 07 I went through it and beefed up the wiring harness in some spots, installed an AGM battery, and put in an Eaglemike tensioner lever(unneccessary IMHO). I also installed a Kawasaki Gel Seat which is a P.O.S. I put a small port in the base of the stock windshield and added a 5" extension to the top of the stock windshield for long trips. Works like a charm with no noise or buffeting. I use 15/40 dino oil in mine and have never added oil between changes (1800mi.). Cruising at 4500rpm or about 70mph, I consistently get 52-55 mpg US or 300 miles per tank. My stock rear tire lasted less than 3000 miles and I went to an Avon Gripster rear and it looks like I will easily get over 10K miles out of it. I tried rejetting the bike and found it ran the best overall with stock jetting and the slide drilled. The new KLR has larger diameter forks, slightly stiffer and better damped suspension(with a little less travel), larger diameter spokes, excellent brakes, a very good headlight, vibration damping bar end weights, rubber inserts in the foot pegs, and a well designed front fender/fairing for highway use. FWIW. If you ride off road a lot...buy the pre 08. If you ride mainly pavement....buy the 08/09. If neither grabs you emotionally...buy something else. Cheers, Larry. Canuckistan.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Paul Statham wrote: > > Dennis > I have a 08 with 29000 kilometers on it about 18000 miles. > I have rode it across our country (Canada) Sea to Sea with a friend on an identical bike . His is red mine is blue. > Blue is the fastest!!!!! > The average Mileage per imperial; Gallon is approx.60-62 MPG (52 US) > I have got as high as 66 MPG (Imperial gallons) > That will be about 55 US MPG > Engine life I don't know and hope I don't find out!!!! > Around 4700 4800 RPM @ 60 MPH I should have looked on my way in this A.M. > I have both windshields I use the tall one the most . It is an Kawasaki one. There are better ones out there. > The wind protection I think is fine I also ride March through November. > I have Hot Grips installed and they work well. > As far as 09-10 Model years I am not sure of any improvments made. > I was told that they fixed and oil burning issue they had with the 08. > I use Mobil One 10W40 synthetic oil. > Mine is not bad on Oil . About 3000 Kilometers per Liter and that is at high way speeds If you go slower none at all. > I have Happy Trails Crash bars, skid plate Highway pegs and a Corbin Stepped seat. The seat is not great ,but it does help us vertically challenged folk. > The Doo is done. > I have gone through 3 sets of tires . I am now using MEFOs and like them. > Good luck, have fun & be safe. > Paul from Canada > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bufbooth > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:56:23 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 KLR650 > > > > > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Posted: **Tue May 05, 2009 6:29 pm**

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--- On Mon, 5/4/09, hobbhavnklr650 wrote: From: hobbhavnklr650 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Looking for advise on buying a new 2008-2009 KLR650 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 6:50 PM Here is my two cents after 20K on a 2005. I am expecting 60K on my before any work, that is assuming I get off my butt and check my valve clearances. I run a 16T front sprocket which has knocked down the rpm a bit at hwy speed and it still has the push I need for my commuting and occasional loaded down road trips. I didn't care for the vibration in the handlebars, but calmed it with gel grips. They are worth the money. I replaced the seat with a Corbin and like it better than stock. For long trips, wearing a pair of padded bicycle shorts under the riding pants make the seat even better. Also good for horses. My MPG has never been quite as good as some others. 48 is usually my best on the hwy at speed. Most my riding is above 6,000 feet, so maybe that makes difference. As soon as the roads clear of snow, which is usually mid or late April I ride. Using a heated jacket, I do pretty well in the 30's. The hand guards aren't particularly good for much other than a windbreak, which is all I ask of them. A tall windshield keeps a little wind off your chest, but for me it dumps it right at the neck, which is the chink in my riding armor. Always cold around the neck. Don't have an opinion about 09 vs 10, other than to say the bike you are waiting will never be as good as the one in your garage. Keith Idaho KLR --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "bufbooth" wrote: > > Hello All, > > This is my first posting here. I am a long time Honda owner, got my > first Honda in 1975, a 73 Honda Z50, in 1976 got a 73 Honda CB100, in > 1977 got a Kawasaki 100 dirt bike, in 1985 got a 72 Honda CB350, and in > 1987 got a 81 Honda XL185s enduro. > > I still own the XL185s and it is my daily rider to work. I love the light weight and the go anywhere Enduros, but do not like any Honda that Honda has put out since 1990. I want to buy an Enduro that can take me on multi-state trips and even cross country (at least once), so that is why I am looking at buying a KLR650. I like the fact that Kawasaki has made some changes to the KLR650 in 2008 to make if more highway friendly (fairing, piston rings, seat change) and the fact that the KLRs have been in production since 1987 and have liquid cooled engines. I plan on making the KLR650 my last bike, since I tend to keep my bikes awhile, actually, I still have most of my 73 Honda CB100, all but the engine which locked up one day with 21,000 miles on it (20,000 from me). > > I was hoping for help on a few questions before I buy a 2008/2009, > they are: > > 1) what is the expected engine life before the top end need to be > rebuilt? > 2) what is the rpms at 60mph? > 3) how is the vibrations at 60mph? > 4) what is the mpg in city and highway? > 5) how well does the fairing protect one from wind at highway speeds, > from the wind? Would it be advisible to purchase the taller > windshield for highway use? > 6) how well does the fairing protect on from the cold, especially > one's hands? I tend to ride as long as long as the road is dry > and the temperature is above freezing. I live in Indiana, try > to ride daily from March to November, which means some 35 - 40 > degree mornings. > 7) any reason to wait for a 2010 model, like working out any bugs > from the 2008 changes? > > Thanks all in advance for any answers, > > Dennis... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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