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[Don Pendergraft]

I have an '08 KLR that is a real oil burner. 1 quart every 500 miles like clockwork. I ascribed it to bad luck and the fact that I spend alot of time above 5K rpm's on the highway. The bike has about 16K miles on it. Anyway, I brought it to the dealership to get the recall work done (3 recalls) because I'm tired of getting the notices. I had also batched together a list of other things for them to fix/replace (e.g. rotted rubber giblets, KACR issue, lower high beam, etc). Lastly, I told them that I wanted to file a warranty claim on the oil consumption issue. I've known about it forever since I was an early adopter of the '08 (purchased July '07), but I figured the pioneers get the arrows and I I thought I should let others battle Kawasaki until things became clearer. Well, that strategy worked in that Kawasaki is well aware of the issue. So I brought in the bike... The mechanics were great. I even went to church with one of them. They said they would get it squared away for me. When they tore it apart, they said they could see where the oil has been blowing past the piston and that the cylinder looked like it was out of round. They contacted Kawasaki and got permission to bore the cylinder and go up to the next larger size. So they are ordering the new, larger, piston and rings. Kind of funny. I had no idea they had a slightly larger version. It's not the 685 kit, sadly! Just slightly bigger. The mechanics have a guy that does precision work on aircraft engines and they are going to let him do the boring. Anyway... My question is about the out of round cylinder. Did something happen to cause this, or is it a factory defect? My other thought was that band-aids like the 16T front sprocket would not have made a bit of difference. Anyway, bizarre about the cylinder. I'm hopeful that they can fix the problem. I'm about 50/50 on it I guess. Many have had the work done, with mixed results. The only sure fire way is to do the 685 kit. But I'm cheap. This isn't costing me a dime, so I will try it first. Don+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I have a friend that went to the 685 kit after his 2004 started burning oil at about 20,000 miles (as my 99 did). He is a serious motorhead. He claims the oil ring is not up to snuff at least on the older ones. He is happy with hid 685 conversion. I had a guy do a top end job on mine when it started burning oil and now at 50,000 miles, no more oil burning. I have always cruised for mile after mile at about 5200 rpm on the highway (even higher sometimes) and even in 104 temps. I have done numerous 600 - 700 mile days. I don't think rpm is the problem, I think my friend is right. Criswell

On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Don Pendergraft wrote: > > > I have an '08 KLR that is a real oil burner. 1 quart every 500 > miles like > clockwork. I ascribed it to bad luck and the fact that I spend alot > of time > above 5K rpm's on the highway. The bike has about 16K miles on it. > Anyway, I > brought it to the dealership to get the recall work done (3 > recalls) because > I'm tired of getting the notices. I had also batched together a > list of > other things for them to fix/replace (e.g. rotted rubber giblets, KACR > issue, lower high beam, etc). Lastly, I told them that I wanted to > file a > warranty claim on the oil consumption issue. I've known about it > forever > since I was an early adopter of the '08 (purchased July '07), but I > figured > the pioneers get the arrows and I I thought I should let others battle > Kawasaki until things became clearer. Well, that strategy worked in > that > Kawasaki is well aware of the issue. So I brought in the bike... > > The mechanics were great. I even went to church with one of them. > They said > they would get it squared away for me. When they tore it apart, > they said > they could see where the oil has been blowing past the piston and > that the > cylinder looked like it was out of round. They contacted Kawasaki > and got > permission to bore the cylinder and go up to the next larger size. > So they > are ordering the new, larger, piston and rings. Kind of funny. I > had no idea > they had a slightly larger version. It's not the 685 kit, sadly! Just > slightly bigger. The mechanics have a guy that does precision work on > aircraft engines and they are going to let him do the boring. > Anyway... > > My question is about the out of round cylinder. Did something > happen to > cause this, or is it a factory defect? My other thought was that > band-aids > like the 16T front sprocket would not have made a bit of > difference. Anyway, > bizarre about the cylinder. I'm hopeful that they can fix the > problem. I'm > about 50/50 on it I guess. Many have had the work done, with mixed > results. > The only sure fire way is to do the 685 kit. But I'm cheap. This isn't > costing me a dime, so I will try it first. > > Don+ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I use Shell Rotella 15 - 40 Dino as does my buddy who put the 685 kit that uses the same .... but when we were helping another guy put a 685 kit in who uses the Shell Rotella Synthetic ....... we did notice a difference in the piston of my friends and a the other guy. The other guys piston looked brand new but my buddies didn't with brownish stains on the outside wall of the piston. They both put their 685 kits in about the same milage. I have never used anything but the cheapest regular - 86 or 87 octane with no ill effects that I know of. You never know if you are getting Premium anyway (in my opinion). Criswell

On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: > > > [[ My question is about the out of round cylinder. Did something > happen to > cause this, or is it a factory defect? ]] > > I doubt your cylinder was "out of round" the aluminum piston will > worp before the steel cylinder. Excessive heat will cause the > piston to fail. Your lucky it is still under warrenty. if your > running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. > Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is > required. > > -Mike- > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Don Pendergraft > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:55:59 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > I have an '08 KLR that is a real oil burner. 1 quart every 500 > miles like > clockwork. I ascribed it to bad luck and the fact that I spend alot > of time > above 5K rpm's on the highway. The bike has about 16K miles on it. > Anyway, I > brought it to the dealership to get the recall work done (3 > recalls) because > I'm tired of getting the notices. I had also batched together a > list of > other things for them to fix/replace (e.g. rotted rubber giblets, KACR > issue, lower high beam, etc). Lastly, I told them that I wanted to > file a > warranty claim on the oil consumption issue. I've known about it > forever > since I was an early adopter of the '08 (purchased July '07), but I > figured > the pioneers get the arrows and I I thought I should let others battle > Kawasaki until things became clearer. Well, that strategy worked in > that > Kawasaki is well aware of the issue. So I brought in the bike... > > The mechanics were great. I even went to church with one of them. > They said > they would get it squared away for me. When they tore it apart, > they said > they could see where the oil has been blowing past the piston and > that the > cylinder looked like it was out of round. They contacted Kawasaki > and got > permission to bore the cylinder and go up to the next larger size. > So they > are ordering the new, larger, piston and rings. Kind of funny. I > had no idea > they had a slightly larger version. It's not the 685 kit, sadly! Just > slightly bigger. The mechanics have a guy that does precision work on > aircraft engines and they are going to let him do the boring. > Anyway... > > My question is about the out of round cylinder. Did something > happen to > cause this, or is it a factory defect? My other thought was that > band-aids > like the 16T front sprocket would not have made a bit of > difference. Anyway, > bizarre about the cylinder. I'm hopeful that they can fix the > problem. I'm > about 50/50 on it I guess. Many have had the work done, with mixed > results. > The only sure fire way is to do the 685 kit. But I'm cheap. This isn't > costing me a dime, so I will try it first. > > Don+ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

Listers, I think you'll find the cylinders of all engines will tend to go out of round after a bit of usage. The orientation/movement of the piston and piston pin will have a small effect on the wear of the cylinder. Also with the stock coolant system design on the KLR the coolant enters one side of the cylinder and then flows up and around to get to the head. The coolant in the cylinder is warm to hot and then coolant entering the cylinder on a stock system is maybe 80 degrees cooler. That thermal shock will cause some movement in the size of the cylinder. This is where a Thermo-Bob can make a pretty nice difference. Without a precise measurement of the cylinder I doubt you'll be able to tell the cylinder is out of round. We're probably only talking about 0.002"-0.003" difference on a well worn cylinder. But that is enough to cause oil use issues. I've got a 2005 cylinder on the bench right now and I'll try to remember to measure it today if I get time and check it for taper and out of round. I'll also try to measure the piston so there is a comparison of piston to cylinder clearance for both x and y. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . ____________________________________________________________ Looking for foreclosures? Click now to take advantage of today's housing market. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQyL1m34JIR70KSOdBolmnbIj6aROkFEyGgtFqzmIOmeNu7tcc8dK/

[Jeff Saline]

**Previous post left intact.** Cylinder and piston measurements at the end of this post. On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:15:00 -0600 Jeff Saline writes:

> Listers, > > I think you'll find the cylinders of all engines will tend to go out > of > round after a bit of usage. The orientation/movement of the piston > and > piston pin will have a small effect on the wear of the cylinder. > Also > with the stock coolant system design on the KLR the coolant enters > one > side of the cylinder and then flows up and around to get to the > head. > The coolant in the cylinder is warm to hot and then coolant entering > the > cylinder on a stock system is maybe 80 degrees cooler. That > thermal > shock will cause some movement in the size of the cylinder. This > is > where a Thermo-Bob can make a pretty nice difference. > > Without a precise measurement of the cylinder I doubt you'll be able > to > tell the cylinder is out of round. We're probably only talking > about > 0.002"-0.003" difference on a well worn cylinder. But that is > enough to > cause oil use issues. > > I've got a 2005 cylinder on the bench right now and I'll try to > remember > to measure it today if I get time and check it for taper and out of > round. I'll also try to measure the piston so there is a comparison > of > piston to cylinder clearance for both x and y.

SNIP <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> I measured a 2005 piston and cylinder with 8,175 miles on them. I don't know any history of the parts, I just own them. The piston didn't show any discoloration below the oil ring and only slight brownish discoloration near the top to about 1/16" below the second ring. I have absolutely no idea what oil was used in the engine before the cylinder and piston were removed. Temperature of the parts was right at 68 F as were the measuring instruments. I used a Fowler 3"-4" outside micrometer for the piston measurements and for setting a Fowler 2"-6" dial bore gauge for the cylinder measurements. Accuracy on the mic is 0.0001" and the dial bore gauge is graduated in 0.0005" increments but you can guesstimate pretty close to 0.0001" with a little experience. The piston was measured about 1/4" from the bottom of the skirt which later will be referred to as the y axis. Just for grins I also measured it immediately below the oil ring. At the skirt it measured 3.9337" and below the oil ring it measured 3.9287". I then measured the cylinder on two axes, x is side to side or the same as the wrist pin position. The y axis is front to back and where you should expect the most wear from the piston skirt and piston movement "rocking" in the bore. I measured at the top, middle and bottom of the cylinder for each axis. Here are my measurements with the dial bore gauge set at zero at 3.9337". I have the measurements prefixed with a + since the bore is larger than the piston. : ) x axis y axis difference top +0.0032" +0.0041" 0.0009" middle +0.0032" +0.0046" 0.0014" bottom +0.0032" +0.0049" 0.0017" taper 0.0000" 0.0008" As you can see the y axis has quite a bit of wear from the piston movement in the cylinder while the x axis has very little wear. And it makes sense the bottom is more worn than the top of the y axis as that is the part that sees much more movement of the piston than the top of the cylinder. I could not see the taper or wear in this cylinder by looking at it. I needed the dial bore gauge to show the wear and measure it. Hope this is helpful. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . ____________________________________________________________ Get a life insurance quote online. Click to compare rates and save. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQcxIa4rolGMGgEOcvlMeTUHuzADClwluXsakuykvMVxOMWej9IUA/

[Spike55]

The Kawi Co. parts page shows three sets of pistons and rings: Standard, 0.5, and 1.0. I'm only assuming but it might be metric for 0.5 mm (~20 thousandths of inch) and 1.0 mm (~40 thousandths of inch). Depending how much they are taking off the cylinder wall, you may be able to bore it out again. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don Pendergraft wrote: > > I have an '08 KLR that is a real oil burner. 1 quart every 500 miles like > clockwork. I ascribed it to bad luck and the fact that I spend alot of time > above 5K rpm's on the highway. The bike has about 16K miles on it. Anyway, I > brought it to the dealership to get the recall work done (3 recalls) because > I'm tired of getting the notices. I had also batched together a list of > other things for them to fix/replace (e.g. rotted rubber giblets, KACR > issue, lower high beam, etc). Lastly, I told them that I wanted to file a > warranty claim on the oil consumption issue. I've known about it forever > since I was an early adopter of the '08 (purchased July '07), but I figured > the pioneers get the arrows and I I thought I should let others battle > Kawasaki until things became clearer. Well, that strategy worked in that > Kawasaki is well aware of the issue. So I brought in the bike... > > The mechanics were great. I even went to church with one of them. They said > they would get it squared away for me. When they tore it apart, they said > they could see where the oil has been blowing past the piston and that the > cylinder looked like it was out of round. They contacted Kawasaki and got > permission to bore the cylinder and go up to the next larger size. So they > are ordering the new, larger, piston and rings. Kind of funny. I had no idea > they had a slightly larger version. It's not the 685 kit, sadly! Just > slightly bigger. The mechanics have a guy that does precision work on > aircraft engines and they are going to let him do the boring. Anyway... > > My question is about the out of round cylinder. Did something happen to > cause this, or is it a factory defect? My other thought was that band-aids > like the 16T front sprocket would not have made a bit of difference. Anyway, > bizarre about the cylinder. I'm hopeful that they can fix the problem. I'm > about 50/50 on it I guess. Many have had the work done, with mixed results. > The only sure fire way is to do the 685 kit. But I'm cheap. This isn't > costing me a dime, so I will try it first. > > Don+ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Mike Hansen wrote:

> Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that > mineral oil do.

Thicker oils will resist heating up as quickly, and they'll retain their heat longer, than thinner oils, but it doesn't matter whether the oil was refined from dead dinosaurs or cooked up in a lab. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Or, maybe you're remembering that synthetic oils can typically handle higher heat than conventional oil before becoming damaged? -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[k650]

Good write up. I don't know specific to the KLR engine but in general all pistons are measured for size perpendicular to on the centerline of the wrist pin unless otherwise specified. (Usually only when the wrist pin is located partly under the oil ring) It is a normal design feature for the area just below the oil ring to measure up less that above. Also pistons are not always designed to be round but oval so if you measure as above off perpendicular it is common for it to measure less. If that was not enough tapered skirts is also another common design feature. The piston you have may not be worn at all. The only way to know for sure is if you have the proper specs or compare it to a new identical piston. I have a piston that was removed from a new 07 bike out of the crate by the company that makes the military bikes. I don't have a micrometer available to measure it but I am willing to sell it with the rings for $90 shipped. That's about 60% of Ron Ayers for a new piston at $93.96 and the rings at $46.74 plus their shipping cost. Walt

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Saline" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Cylinder out of round... > > **Previous post left intact.** > > Cylinder and piston measurements at the end of this post. > > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:15:00 -0600 Jeff Saline writes: >> Listers, >> >> I think you'll find the cylinders of all engines will tend to go out >> of >> round after a bit of usage. The orientation/movement of the piston >> and >> piston pin will have a small effect on the wear of the cylinder. >> Also >> with the stock coolant system design on the KLR the coolant enters >> one >> side of the cylinder and then flows up and around to get to the >> head. >> The coolant in the cylinder is warm to hot and then coolant entering >> the >> cylinder on a stock system is maybe 80 degrees cooler. That >> thermal >> shock will cause some movement in the size of the cylinder. This >> is >> where a Thermo-Bob can make a pretty nice difference. >> >> Without a precise measurement of the cylinder I doubt you'll be able >> to >> tell the cylinder is out of round. We're probably only talking >> about >> 0.002"-0.003" difference on a well worn cylinder. But that is >> enough to >> cause oil use issues. >> >> I've got a 2005 cylinder on the bench right now and I'll try to >> remember >> to measure it today if I get time and check it for taper and out of >> round. I'll also try to measure the piston so there is a comparison >> of >> piston to cylinder clearance for both x and y. > > SNIP > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > I measured a 2005 piston and cylinder with 8,175 miles on them. I don't > know any history of the parts, I just own them. The piston didn't show > any discoloration below the oil ring and only slight brownish > discoloration near the top to about 1/16" below the second ring. I have > absolutely no idea what oil was used in the engine before the cylinder > and piston were removed. > > Temperature of the parts was right at 68 F as were the measuring > instruments. I used a Fowler 3"-4" outside micrometer for the piston > measurements and for setting a Fowler 2"-6" dial bore gauge for the > cylinder measurements. Accuracy on the mic is 0.0001" and the dial bore > gauge is graduated in 0.0005" increments but you can guesstimate pretty > close to 0.0001" with a little experience. > > The piston was measured about 1/4" from the bottom of the skirt which > later will be referred to as the y axis. Just for grins I also measured > it immediately below the oil ring. At the skirt it measured 3.9337" and > below the oil ring it measured 3.9287". > > I then measured the cylinder on two axes, x is side to side or the same > as the wrist pin position. The y axis is front to back and where you > should expect the most wear from the piston skirt and piston movement > "rocking" in the bore. I measured at the top, middle and bottom of the > cylinder for each axis. > > Here are my measurements with the dial bore gauge set at zero at 3.9337". > I have the measurements prefixed with a + since the bore is larger than > the piston. : ) > > x axis y axis difference > top +0.0032" +0.0041" 0.0009" > middle +0.0032" +0.0046" 0.0014" > bottom +0.0032" +0.0049" 0.0017" > > taper 0.0000" 0.0008" > > As you can see the y axis has quite a bit of wear from the piston > movement in the cylinder while the x axis has very little wear. And it > makes sense the bottom is more worn than the top of the y axis as that is > the part that sees much more movement of the piston than the top of the > cylinder. > > I could not see the taper or wear in this cylinder by looking at it. I > needed the dial bore gauge to show the wear and measure it. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

In my experience, lugging an engine is worse for the engine than higher rpm. Criswell

On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Rick McCauley wrote: > > > I will give you that. I do tend to lug my bike more than I should. > Especially being I tip the scales at 280 lbs. The KLR does like it > better if i keep the engine singing. But I still prefer the peace > of mind the higher octane gives me. > > rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: ramachm12@..., dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:22 PM > > It may simply be you are letting the RPM's get too low (lugging). > I have a jet kit in mine and can run the engine really low but > with the carb as yours is I think most recommend keeping it > above 2000 in first to 3500 in the top gear. Maybe even higher. > I think some use the figures of 2500 to 4000 minimum depending > on the gear you are in. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick McCauley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > Bought the bike brand new, and has always been that way. Already > turned the > mixture screw out. > > Let me make one change to my previous statement. On very warm or > hot days > under a good load she rattles. Cruising down the road is fine. But > with 93 > octane I can be caught in traffic on a 100 degree day with no rattles. > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: ramachm12@yahoo. com, dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:55 PM > > Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large > carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. > I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might > lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular > gas the cost per mile should still be less. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 > octane. I > have > had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the > highest > octane I > can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 > octane. > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM > > A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. > The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" yahoo.com> > To: "KLR" > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that > mineral oil > do. > > On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the > bike. tires > size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with > research > octane 91 min. > > now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 > miles , I would > want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would > help. with > the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. > > -Mike- > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: revmaaatin > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen > wrote: > > SNIP > > if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine > oil. Plus, > not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > > > -Mike- > > > > Hi Mike, > Just curious. > How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. > > How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. > > Substantiation please. > =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis > caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" > word > (farkle) is used repeatedly. > > revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on > 87/85 > octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products-- > I use > them in the car > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr com/dsnklr650Yah oo! 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[Rick McCauley]

I think so too. I don't lug it to the point of it bucking, or the chain snatching. But I get the idea that I keep my rpm's low than most of you do. I usually keep the engine between 3,000 to 4,000 rpms. I think it likes 4,000 to 5,000 better. Sounds like some of you run over 5,000 rpm's pretty regular. Rick A17

--- On Fri, 4/10/09, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: ramachm12@... Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:07 AM In my experience, lugging an engine is worse for the engine than higher rpm. Criswell On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Rick McCauley wrote: > > > I will give you that. I do tend to lug my bike more than I should. > Especially being I tip the scales at 280 lbs. The KLR does like it > better if i keep the engine singing. But I still prefer the peace > of mind the higher octane gives me. > > rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: ramachm12@yahoo. com, dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:22 PM > > It may simply be you are letting the RPM's get too low (lugging). > I have a jet kit in mine and can run the engine really low but > with the carb as yours is I think most recommend keeping it > above 2000 in first to 3500 in the top gear. Maybe even higher. > I think some use the figures of 2500 to 4000 minimum depending > on the gear you are in. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick McCauley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > Bought the bike brand new, and has always been that way. Already > turned the > mixture screw out. > > Let me make one change to my previous statement. On very warm or > hot days > under a good load she rattles. Cruising down the road is fine. But > with 93 > octane I can be caught in traffic on a 100 degree day with no rattles. > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: ramachm12@yahoo. com, dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:55 PM > > Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large > carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. > I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might > lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular > gas the cost per mile should still be less. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 > octane. I > have > had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the > highest > octane I > can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 > octane. > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: > > From: k650 > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM > > A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. > The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" yahoo.com> > To: "KLR" > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that > mineral oil > do. > > On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the > bike. tires > size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with > research > octane 91 min. > > now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 > miles , I would > want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would > help. with > the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. > > -Mike- > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: revmaaatin > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen > wrote: > > SNIP > > if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine > oil. Plus, > not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > > > -Mike- > > > > Hi Mike, > Just curious. > How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. > > How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. > > Substantiation please. > =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis > caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" > word > (farkle) is used repeatedly. > > revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on > 87/85 > octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products-- > I use > them in the car > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr com/dsnklr650Yah oo! 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