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[jokerloco9@aol.com]

My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@... writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninterThe octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninternal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 _k650@verizon.k65_ (mailto:k650@...) > To: _ramachm12@..._ (mailto:ramachm12@...) ; _dsn_klr650@yahoogrodsn_klr_ (mailto:dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575 ... r=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

With all the evidence in, I wonder if: A. KLR tolerances vary enough to make each bike a little different B. Some states rate gasoline different than others. C. Different states use different additives, and or proccesses in there gas. D. Combination of A, B, C. Rick A17

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, jokerloco9@... wrote: From: jokerloco9@... Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating.......Cylinder out of round... To: hansen.mike@..., dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:27 PM My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@ yahoo.com writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter nal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 To: _ramachm12@yahoo. ram_ (mailto:ramachm12@yahoo. com) ; _dsn_klr650@ yahoogrodsn_ klr_ (mailto:dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! 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[Mike Hansen]

ummm,, Octane has nothing to with AIT's . -mike- ________________________________ From: "jokerloco9@..." To: hansen.mike@...; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 2:27:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating.......Cylinder out of round... My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@ yahoo.com writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter nal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 To: _ramachm12@yahoo. ram_ (mailto:ramachm12@yahoo. com) ; _dsn_klr650@ yahoogrodsn_ klr_ (mailto:dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr. _ (http://www.frappr. /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122063 5155x1201407495/ aol?redir= http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk% 3B213771973% 3B35379628% 3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I think all of your questions are correct. As regards to my 06 KLR bought new in 2005: 8k miles. carb works perfectly. I did drill the idle cap and open the mixture screw a bit, and it helped. No aftermarket muffler. No airbox mods. But I do have a black IMS military tank. Doohickey done, but no other mods. Bike runs flawlwss. No pinging, uses 89 octane, but owner manual says min 87 octane. I just like added insurance against knocking. I weigh 260. California gas isn't very good. Lots of addatives. I get better mileage in other states with their gas. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:37:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ramachm12@... writes: With all the evidence in, I wonder if: A. KLR tolerances vary enough to make each bike a little different B. Some states rate gasoline different than others. C. Different states use different additives, and or proccesses in there gas. D. Combination of A, B, C. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, _jokerloco9@..._ (mailto:jokerloco9@...) wrote: From: _jokerloco9@..._ (mailto:jokerloco9@...) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating......Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN To: _hansen.mike@..._ (mailto:hansen.mike@...) , _dsn_klr650@yahoogrodsn_klr_ (mailto:dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:27 PM My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@ yahoo.com writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter nal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 To: _ramachm12@yahoo. ram_ (mailto:ramachm12@To: _ramac _dsn_klr650@ yahoogrodsn_ klr_ (mailto:dsn__dsn_klr650@ yahoogro Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: __http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) _ (_http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: __http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) _ (_http://www.frappr._ (http://www.frappr./) /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=_http://pr.atwola._ (http://pr.atwola./) com/promoclk/ 100126575x122063 5155x1201407495/ aol?redir= http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk% 3B213771973% 3B35379628% 3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575 ... r=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> > With all the evidence in, I wonder if: > A. KLR tolerances vary enough to make each bike a little different > B. Some states rate gasoline different than others. > C. Different states use different additives, and or proccesses in there gas. > D. Combination of A, B, C.

I'd say mostly A, followed closely by E., variation in butt dynos. I have pretty much hewed to the party line that the KLR will run fine on 87 octane, or even 85 at higher altitudes. On occasion, however, in really hot, muggy weather, the old bike has seemed a bit rattly under load. I have hypothesized pinging, and from time to time prescribed a tank of 92 octane as the cure. It seems to help, but then, I want it to help, as I might otherwise have spent the extra buck and a half on a bottle of water. When I go to Mexico and have to buy 81 octane pump gas, my DR650 accepts it without complaint, as do the inevitable KLRs that are along for the ride.

[pdstreeter@mmm.com]

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | I plan to hold the 6th (or 7th) annual tech day at my house in | | Shoreview, MN on Saturday, May 2. Start at 10 AM. Email me for | | directions. | | | | This will be the 4th year in a row at my house. The first two years, we | | had great weather and I had 18-20 people show up each year. Last year | | was cold and rainy and only about 11 people showed up. | | | | Hopefully Jud and Craig will be able to make it again. Between the two | | of them, they've helped change over 30 "doohickey's" by now. | | | | I have experience changing tires, setting valves, changing springs, | | fork seals, brakes, chains and sprockets. | | | | All are welcome to show up whether you plan to work on your bike or | | not. | | | | Paul Streeter | | Shoreview, MN | | DRZ 400E, KLR 650 | | | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|