[dsn_klr650] chain lube -- what about moly?

[Arden Kysely]

With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there while not collecting grit. I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but can't find it locally. On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths still use it. __Arden

[Harry Seifert]

There was, maybe there still is, a product known as DriSlide; a moly lube in a quickly evaporating carrier. It had a needle applicator and sure made quick work of lubing the chain and cables of my old H1 and F7. Once it dried, it left a dry, filmy paste of moly that wouldn't fling off or attract much dirt. I think I bought it in a gun shop in San Diego in the 70's The 2 16 oz cans lasted a good 20 years before they dripped their last drop. I haven't seen it in a long time, I wonder if it's still available??? BUddy

> [Original Message] > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/22/2009 8:18:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? > > With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a > molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should > provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side > plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there > while not collecting grit. > > I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just > can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. > Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but > can't find it locally. > > On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had > a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his > Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less > mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths > still use it. > > __Arden > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Russell Scott]

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----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Seifert To: Arden Kysely ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? There was, maybe there still is, a product known as C; a moly lube in a quickly evaporating carrier. It had a needle applicator and sure made quick work of lubing the chain and cables of my old H1 and F7. Once it dried, it left a dry, filmy paste of moly that wouldn't fling off or attract much dirt. I think I bought it in a gun shop in San Diego in the 70's The 2 16 oz cans lasted a good 20 years before they dripped their last drop. I haven't seen it in a long time, I wonder if it's still available??? BUddy > [Original Message] > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/22/2009 8:18:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? > > With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a > molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should > provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side > plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there > while not collecting grit. > > I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just > can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. > Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but > can't find it locally. > > On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had > a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his > Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less > mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths > still use it. > > __Arden > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

i used moly grease on swingarm bearings and shock linkages, moly 60% from honda ,pricey but the best,stuff is great,far surperior to bel-rays waterproof crap,as for chains,i seem to remember an aeresol lube containing it,but can't reacall the brand if it even still exists,ok bogdan,jud,your turns -----Original Message----- From: Harry Seifert To: Arden Kysely ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 2:10 pm Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? There was, maybe there still is, a product known as DriSlide; a moly lube in a quickly evaporating carrier. It had a needle applicator and sure made quick work of lubing the chain and cables of my old H1 and F7. Once it dried, it left a dry, filmy paste of moly that wouldn't fling off or attract much dirt. I think I bought it in a gun shop in San Diego in the 70's The 2 16 oz cans lasted a good 20 years before they dripped their last drop. I haven't seen it in a long time, I wonder if it's still available??? BUddy

> [Original Message] > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/22/2009 8:18:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? > > With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a > molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should > provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side > plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there > while not collecting grit. > > I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just > can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. > Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but > can't find it locally. > > On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had > a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his > Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less > mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths > still use it. > > __Arden > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

there's a bicycle chain lube w/ teflon in it, ck the bicycle shops,the cans are pretty small though,so economically it may not be the way to go -----Original Message----- From: Arden Kysely To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:18 am Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there while not collecting grit. I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but can't find it locally. On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths still use it. __Arden

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > i used moly grease on swingarm bearings and shock linkages, moly 60% > from honda ,pricey but the best,stuff is great,far surperior to > bel-rays waterproof crap,as for chains,i seem to remember an aeresol > lube containing it,but can't reacall the brand if it even still > exists,ok bogdan,jud,your turns

My turn? OK. I was talking not too long ago to a guy who runs a dyno shop. He said: "The Harley owner and the Ducati owner are essentially the same guy. They don't dress the same, and they probably don't know each other, but they are the same guy. And they are both really easy to make money off of." Under the counter behind glass were several pairs of Icon TiMax gloves. How many miles do you get out of your chains?

[Arden Kysely]

I'm using a lightweight teflon chain lube on my mountain bike. It's OK but I have to reapply about twice a week. I'm a little leary of using on an O-ring chain since I don't know what the carrier liquid is. I've tried Tri-Flow on my MTB as well, but it picks up all kinds of dirt and creates a mass of gunk on the sprockets and idler pulleys. Not for a dual-sport, I fear. I've also got a waterproof bicycle chain lube, but it's exta gunky. That or Phil's Tenacious Oil might be good for a serious rain ride. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: > > there's a bicycle chain lube w/ teflon in it, ck the bicycle shops,the > cans are pretty small though,so economically it may not be the way to go > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:18 am > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Chain lube -- what about moly? > > > > > > > With all the hubbub about chain lube, no one's mentioned those with a > molybdenum component. It's messy for sure, but once dry it should > provide the necessary friction reduction between the O-rings and side > plates while coating the rollers to give some wear protection there > while not collecting grit. > > I believe the WD-40 crowd who are having great chain life, but just > can't get myself to regularly spray a penetrant on my chain. > Personally, I'm liking the idea of the DuPont teflon product, but > can't find it locally. > > On a historical note, before O-ring chains hit the market, my dad had > a little can of powdered graphite that he used on the chain of his > Suzuki X-5 Invader. A real PITA to apply to each link, but much less > mess than whatever oil was in vogue at the time. AFAIK, locksmiths > still use it. > > __Arden >

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

you didn't answer my question.how do YOU determine when a chain is worn,needs replacing? you probably still have the original,so ride till it falls off,you'll probably need a 100,000 odo so you can keep track though,when it does go,don't worry help will be just down the ROAD -----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 9:47 am Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube -- what about moly?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: > > i used moly grease on swingarm bearings and shock linkages, moly 60% > from honda ,pricey but the best,stuff is great,far surperior to > bel-rays waterproof crap,as for chains,i seem to remember an aeresol > lube containing it,but can't reacall the brand if it even still > exists,ok bogdan,jud,your turns My turn? OK. I was talking not too long ago to a guy who runs a dyno shop. He said: "The Harley owner and the Ducati owner are essentially the same guy. They don't dress the same, and they probably don't know each other, but they are the same guy. And they are both really easy to make money off of." Under the counter behind glass were several pairs of Icon TiMax gloves. How many miles do you get out of your chains?

[D Critchley]

I looked up "Dri slide" made by Russack. $33 for 3 x 4 oz bottles. DC trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trailsunltd@... > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 6:41 pm > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube -- what about moly? > > you didn't answer my question.how do YOU determine when a chain is > worn,needs replacing? you probably still have the original,so ride till > it falls off,you'll probably need a 100,000 odo so you can keep track > though,when it does go,don't worry help will be just down the ROAD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 9:47 am > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube -- what about moly? > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , trailsunltd@... wrote: > > > > i used moly grease on swingarm bearings and shock linkages, moly 60% > > from honda ,pricey but the best,stuff is great,far surperior to > > bel-rays waterproof crap,as for chains,i seem to remember an aeresol > > lube containing it,but can't reacall the brand if it even still > > e > > . > >

[Harry Seifert]

This has been said earlier in this series..............1. if you pull your chain more than 1/4" away from the rear sprocket in a line parallel to the swingarm and grab the chain at it's furthest distance from the C/S sprocket, then you need a new chain. 2. if you can bend the chain laterally (bend like a bow) more than 1/2" in 12" of run, then you need a new chain. 3. if you can find "kinks" in your chain as you rotate it by hand with the rear wheel elevated, then you need a new chain. And I know I will get pilloried for this, but, don't be a cheap ass, when you replace your chain, be kind and replace both sprockets. It is a false economy to do any less...................That's a free nut of knowledge based on my 40+ years of ridin' dem murdersickles. Now for a free ad from our sponsor......................hey guys, what do you do if your pistol packin' wife says..............."ya gotta de-toy to re-toy!"??? So, on accounta me wantin's a new toy, a new XL1200...........I got to ride Scotty Parker's at the lunch stop for the press release of the bike........... A very nice HD indeed, and it comes with two pair of assless chaps to boot................. Anyway, back to our commercial; I'm putting my 3200 mile (actual mileage), all original '88 3 digit VIN NT650, my '99 Black Beauty streeter and my '03 DL with pipes and powercommander up for sale. I'll get them to a shipping pickup point, they are all current with CA tags and plates ( NT and KLR have Cal FF plates, so those don't go). They will prolly be going up on Ebay and Craig's list within the next two weeks or so. Remember, JulianTechDay is coming up next Saturday, the 31st. See you there. Buddy

> [Original Message] > From: > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/23/2009 3:42:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube -- what about moly? > > you didn't answer my question.how do YOU determine when a chain is > worn,needs replacing? you probably still have the original,so ride till > it falls off,you'll probably need a 100,000 odo so you can keep track > though,when it does go,don't worry help will be just down the ROAD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 9:47 am > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube -- what about moly? > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: > > > > i used moly grease on swingarm bearings and shock linkages, moly 60% > > from honda ,pricey but the best,stuff is great,far surperior to > > bel-rays waterproof crap,as for chains,i seem to remember an aeresol > > lube containing it,but can't reacall the brand if it even still > > exists,ok bogdan,jud,your turns > > My turn? OK. > > I was talking not too long ago to a guy who runs a dyno shop. He said: > "The Harley owner > and the Ducati owner are essentially the same guy. They don't dress the > same, and they > probably don't know each other, but they are the same guy. And they are > both really easy to > make money off of." > > Under the counter behind glass were several pairs of Icon TiMax gloves. > > How many miles do you get out of your chains? > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >