Wilsons Sandbox

boulder_adv_rider wrote:

> > Jim - I'd be spreading that money out across a few firms to make sure > it stays insured (either FDIC or SPIC). > > Personally, I think this country is headed for real tough times > regardless of this bailout. We'll move of course in time, but even > the thought of spending $700B to bailout banks and wall st is enough > to tell you this administration and economy are a complete mess. The > kicker is we really need to spend $700B on lowering energy costs, > fixing our messed up education system, and lowering healthcare > costs. The savings from cheaper 3 above and more jobs will benefit > our future vs. stuffing $700B into Wall St's greed furnance. > > Right now we have the rats cornered. They have no one left to dump > the toxic mortgage crap on. So they think it's best to dump it on > the unsuspecting taxpayer then let time heal the wounds. > Unfortunately, this will add years on to what we should be doing. > Spending money on alternative energies to reduce energy costs and > reliance on the Arabs. Oils not going away, but we need to be > smarter than where Bush has led us the last 8-years--directed by > crooked Wall St. and banks. How quickly the disasters like Enron and > Worldcom are forgotten. > > So yes, I'd keep your KLR in the garage (crime going up) and spread- > out your money. > >

SHIT happens, was laid off today due to "my position be removed", interesting is that the layoffs seem more and more lately! What sucks is that after (9) years of being in the office by 6:00AM, typically never taking a lunch, reviews are like reading the bible and due to a recent management $uckup, spent x million of dollars on software package that is totally unusable in our type of business, they are eliminating the teams that were associated with the project. They were so unprepared in the meeting today that I had to bring up the fact "Did you guy's consider me for any of the 'open' positions posted on the web-site? The look was DUH! Will negotiate the severance package, funny goggled it this morning and had (10) items, one of the best is that if you can get the company to indicate that the 'severance' is for re-reimbursed training it's tax free! Don't ask me how but it's out there. Just remembered that I just purchased a new car, for me, but to give to the next kid in line for a car, that could of waited for another 1.5 years. Again if I was running for President I would be heading back to my old job as its heading 100MPH towards a wall made of concrete. As I have been telling the younger guys at the office, find something where you make your OWN money, don't work for someone else where you have NO control of your destiny. 700B is not going to do it it will end up be x4 that! Looks like it's time to fix up this 3100sqft house, where only wife and one kid live now and get it one the market asap, make a few dollars, I hope and get something smaller, like a trailer on the lake where I have a sliver of property!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Douglas wrote:

> SHIT happens, was laid off today due to "my position be removed", > interesting is > that the layoffs seem more and more lately! What sucks is that

after (9)

> years of being > in the office by 6:00AM, typically never taking a lunch, reviews

are

> like reading the > bible and due to a recent management $uckup, spent x million of

dollars

> on software > package that is totally unusable in our type of business, they are > eliminating the teams > that were associated with the project. They were so unprepared in

the

> meeting today > that I had to bring up the fact "Did you guy's consider me for any

of

> the 'open' positions > posted on the web-site? The look was DUH! Will negotiate the

severance

> package, funny goggled it this morning and had (10) items, one of

the

> best is that if you > can get the company to indicate that the 'severance' is for > re-reimbursed training it's tax > free! Don't ask me how but it's out there. Just remembered that I

just

> purchased a new > car, for me, but to give to the next kid in line for a car, that

could

> of waited for another > 1.5 years. > > Again if I was running for President I would be heading back to my

old

> job as its > heading 100MPH towards a wall made of concrete. As I have been

telling

> the younger > guys at the office, find something where you make your OWN money,

don't

> work for > someone else where you have NO control of your destiny. 700B is not > going to do it > it will end up be x4 that! Looks like it's time to fix up this

3100sqft

> house, where only > wife and one kid live now and get it one the market asap, make a

few

> dollars, I hope > and get something smaller, like a trailer on the lake where I have

a

> sliver of property! >

Hello Jim, Oh boy, What a way to greet a new day/week. From your description and others, watch what this backlash is going to have in the labor sector, with a rise in super unions which will cause a yo-yo effect on labor/management problems of biblical proportions. The buzz words here are greed, inept management, and lack of long- range visioning = birth of super unions. revmaaatin.

Are you stumping for Obama??? In a message dated 9/25/2008 11:18:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boulder_adv_rider@... writes: Rev - You hit the nail on head. The rich have exploited the labor and sacrifice of the middle class forcing it into all but extinction. All caused by: greed, inept management, and lack of long- range visioning. I'll add misguided/misleadinrange visioning. Congress. Most of us financial professionals have known this was coming for years. Now it's all come down to one final episode of Fear Factor. $700B bailouts for the rich and Wall St. WILL NOT fix the tough times ahead. It won't create jobs or provide credit to small business or even big business to expand. No, they'll take the money and off- shore the work to save even more money, keep the ridiculously high compensation flowing, and erode America's future to a stub. It'll be years after they'll admit the bail-out was as big a disaster and fear attack as the hasty thrust into the Iraq war...and Afghanistan. Enough is enough. Today, another one of our brothers (Jim) falls victim. But we're not talking super unions here, Rev. We're talking surviving the mess we're in. It's starts with saying No! Enough! Enough of the riskless stock option grants, bonuses and salaries that erode the longevity of American business to the point it's dead with the first sign of a cold. These businesses should have war chests for rainy times like now. But they've blown it all on crooks hoping somehow it trickles down to the average worker. This free-for-all, take-the-money and run mentality simply has to end. The bottom-line is this Bush regime has caused more damage to the US economy than any terrorist could dream of. We don't need to worry about Islamic terrorists with George Bush at the controls. $700B plus all the money to mop up his war machine??? $2 trillion? Kick Bernanke and Paulson out and get people into the Office that understand the dire mess America is in. Spending $700B to bail-out the rich and elitists? How about letting Wall St fail naturally to rid the future of these mistakes via the hard lessons and consequences and take the taxpayers' money and invest it in alternative energies, healthcare and education. We need to rid ourselves of reliance on foreign oil and lower costs for energy and healthcare and fix our ALBATROSS of an education system (no offense Albatross). I'm not talking freebies either. I'm talking incentives to drive down costs and create jobs that build America and ultimately provide a long-term return on investment. Thriving economies are predicated on hope, opportunities/predicated on hope, opportunities/ educated citizens. The latest pleas for this bailout sound like a late-night infomercial ending with "but you must act now!" It's all fear-based politics. Fortunately, we've faced bigger challenges to overcome and realize George Bush is a complete [expletive] putz. His ideas and leadership are a disgrace to the men and women who have sacrificed themselves in the name of freedom. Personally, I'm done with this ship of fools. Change is eminent. We broke the chains of rogue imperialism before, and we're not going back to serfdom. Simply, fear is not an option. Brian - who's had enough! and believes those preaching capitalism and democracy while pilfering and plundering America are nothing more than elitists in trench coats. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't know if this would actually work, but it really got me thinking and put a dollar amount on this in a way that really struck home with me. Maybe it's all B.S., but it is an interesting idea. The Birk Economic Recovery Plan

> > > I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG . > > Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We > Deserve It Dividend. > > To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000

bonafide

> U.S. Citizens 18+. > > Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman

and

> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. > > So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals

$425,000.00.

> > My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It > Dividend. > > Of course, it would NOT be tax free. > So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. > > Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. > That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. > > But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. > A husband and wife has $595,000.00. > > What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? > Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. > Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads Put away

money

> for college - it'll be there Save in a bank - create money to loan

to

> entrepreneurs. > Buy a new car - create jobs > Invest in the market - capital drives growth Pay for your parent's > medical insurance - health care improves Enable Deadbeat Dads to

come clean - or else

> > Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the

folks

> who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that

is

> cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. > > If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead

of

> trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive

that

> is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. > > If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every > adult U S Citizen 18+! > > As for AIG - liquidate it. > Sell off its parts. > Let American General go back to being American General. > Sell off the real estate. > Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. > &nb sp; > Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't. > > Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work." > > But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! > > How do you spell Economic Boom? > > I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85

Billion

> We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in > Washington DC . > > And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because > $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. > > Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest. > Kindest personal regards, > Birk > T. J. Birkenmeier , A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic > > PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good

for

> a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 > Billion!!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "boulder_adv_rider" wrote:

> > Rev - You hit the nail on head. The rich have exploited the labor > and sacrifice of the middle class forcing it into all but > extinction. All caused by: greed, inept management, and lack of

long-

> range visioning. I'll add misguided/misleading presidency and > Congress. Most of us financial professionals have known this was > coming for years. Now it's all come down to one final episode of > Fear Factor. > > $700B bailouts for the rich and Wall St. WILL NOT fix the tough

times

> ahead. It won't create jobs or provide credit to small business or > even big business to expand. No, they'll take the money and off- > shore the work to save even more money, keep the ridiculously high > compensation flowing, and erode America's future to a stub. It'll

be

> years after they'll admit the bail-out was as big a disaster and

fear

> attack as the hasty thrust into the Iraq war...and

Afghanistan.

> > Enough is enough. Today, another one of our brothers (Jim) falls > victim. But we're not talking super unions here, Rev. We're

talking

> surviving the mess we're in. It's starts with saying No! Enough! > Enough of the riskless stock option grants, bonuses and salaries

that

> erode the longevity of American business to the point it's dead

with

> the first sign of a cold. These businesses should have war chests > for rainy times like now. But they've blown it all on crooks

hoping

> somehow it trickles down to the average worker. This free-for-all, > take-the-money and run mentality simply has to end. > > The bottom-line is this Bush regime has caused more damage to the

US

> economy than any terrorist could dream of. We don't need to worry > about Islamic terrorists with George Bush at the controls. $700B > plus all the money to mop up his war machine??? $2 trillion? Kick > Bernanke and Paulson out and get people into the Office that > understand the dire mess America is in. Spending $700B to bail-out > the rich and elitists? How about letting Wall St fail naturally to > rid the future of these mistakes via the hard lessons and > consequences and take the taxpayers' money and invest it in > alternative energies, healthcare and education. We need to rid > ourselves of reliance on foreign oil and lower costs for energy and > healthcare and fix our ALBATROSS of an education system (no offense > Albatross). I'm not talking freebies either. I'm talking

incentives

> to drive down costs and create jobs that build America and

ultimately

> provide a long-term return on investment. Thriving economies are > predicated on hope, opportunities/jobs, low-cost energy and

healthy,

> educated citizens. > > The latest pleas for this bailout sound like a late-night

infomercial

> ending with "but you must act now!" It's all fear-based politics. > Fortunately, we've faced bigger challenges to overcome and realize > George Bush is a complete [expletive] putz. His ideas and

leadership

> are a disgrace to the men and women who have sacrificed themselves

in

> the name of freedom. Personally, I'm done with this ship of

fools.

> Change is eminent. We broke the chains of rogue imperialism

before,

> and we're not going back to serfdom. Simply, fear is not an

option.

> > Brian - who's had enough! and believes those preaching capitalism

and

> democracy while pilfering and plundering America are nothing more > than elitists in trench coats. >