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relay, starter or solenoid?

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:10 am
by michael and jennifer
I have a A18, just got back from the divide trip (helluva trip, had a blast!). I rode the bike to work and back home, decided to run to the hardware store, bike started then died, then would not turn over at all. There is a little click and the neutral light dims when hitting the starter button, battery is good. When I jumped the two points on the solenoid it turned over. So does that mean the relay? Thanks in advance for the feedback! Michael Haug Mpls, MN

relay, starter or solenoid?

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:01 am
by Arden Kysely
Check the battery connections. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "michael and jennifer" wrote:
> > I have a A18, just got back from the divide trip (helluva trip, had a > blast!). I rode the bike to work and back home, decided to run to the > hardware store, bike started then died, then would not turn over at > all. There is a little click and the neutral light dims when hitting > the starter button, battery is good. When I jumped the two points on > the solenoid it turned over. So does that mean the relay? > Thanks in advance for the feedback! > > Michael Haug > Mpls, MN >

relay, starter or solenoid?

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:49 am
by Blake Sobiloff
On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:10 AM, michael and jennifer wrote:
> There is a little click and the neutral light dims when hitting > the starter button, battery is good. When I jumped the two points on > the solenoid it turned over. So does that mean the relay?
On my bike the relay's connector was a little loose and exhibited the same symptom. I cleaned up the connector and used some dielectric grease when re-assembling it. Never had another problem. -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

nklr: idiot! ... and this one's long!

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:05 pm
by Fr. Don
DUDE! I'm glad you lived to tell the story. The Lord watches over the foolish. I too am living proof. :o) Don+ On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:08 PM, fasteddiecopeman wrote:
> OK, guys - you want IDIOT? I'll give you IDIOT! STUPID IDIOT! > > I was a pilot candidate in the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) training on > the Tutor jet (same ones the > "Snowbirds" demonstration team fly, if you've ever seen them), way-y-y-y > back in 1968. The first 5 or 6 solo > flights are restricted to the 'circuit' where you practice touch and go's, > while you do training with your instructor > out in the aerobatic area to prepare you for solos out of the 'circuit'. > > Well, I'd just been cleared to go solo out of the 'circuit' by > demonstrating capability to safely fly stalls, spins, > barrel-rolls and loops, and my instructor had demonstrated what we'd cover > in the next dual session - the "half > roll and pull through". Basically this is the last half of a loop started > at the top. > > One of our Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) was that students carried a > card with the airplane's emergency > procedures with them at ALL times, and on it we would write various > procedures that we had been 'cleared' to fly > solo. ANY instructor could ask for this card, and if you had any > non-authorized procedure written down you > were in REALLY BIG doo-doo! > > Another SOP was that IF a student was in a non-recoverable attitude by > 10,000 feet above ground (AGL), he was > to eject, and THAT altitude was 12,000 feet indicated (I was in Moose Jaw > which is 2,000 feet above Mean Sea > Level [MSL)]). My instructor had told me that if you did your aerobatics at > 15,000 MSL you'd be safe, BUT if you > did them at 25,000 MSL, it would take a much more precise control input, > resulting in a much finer aircraft > control, so you'd do better on the check ride. Well, I LOVED doing spins > and discovered I could spin left, recover, > spin right, recover, and STILL be above the 12,000 minimum altitude. > > So, my instructor had demonstrated a 'half roll and pull through' but I was > NOT authorized to perform this solo, > yet, and I was on my FIRST solo out of the 'circuit', at 25,000 feet, > practicing stalls, spins, rolls and loops, and, as > I was a pretty good pilot, doing just fine. Now, on my 'card', was written > various 'entry' procedures, for instance, > a roll was done at anywhere from 150K to 400K with power at 94% to Maximum > Continuous, while NOT written > on my card was the procedure for the 'half roll and pull through' - power > at IDLE and airspeed LESS than 150K > BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING TO DO THE LAST HALF OF A LOOP in this manoeuvre! > > A little aside - it was REALLY emphasized that we could "pull the wings > off" if we exceeded 7G, so we were not > given G-suits so as to make it harder to exceed 7G. > > Well, I was an "ACE", I was happy with what I was practicing, so I thought > I'd do the little extra my instructor had > shown me. Well my 'card' didn't have entry speeds or power for the 'half > roll and pull through', but it DID have for > the roll (after all, wasn't it a half ROLL ... etc?), so I looked - 240k > airspeed (...ONLY 90K too high), and I had 94% > power on (instead of IDLE),so I rolled inverted and started to pull. > > Right away I knew something was wrong - my airspeed was increasing, my > altitude was decreasing, and I was > TOO STUPID to reduce power, "pop" my speedbrakes to scrub off speed, or > roll out to the nearest horizon. WHAT > I DID DO THOUGH, WAS LOOK AT MY G-METER AND PEG IT AT 6.5G. I started > 'graying-out' from the G, but I > concentrated on not exceeding 7, knowing full well that, if there was a > prize for STUPIDITY, I would get it!!! > > I pulled out of the 'bottom' at 10,000 feet (remember the 'eject' > altitude?) at 450K, and realized that, had I done > this at 15,000 feet, I would have hit the ground at about 450 Knots in a > nose-low attitude and become a > "smoking hole"! > > I've not shared this with many people, but I wanted you all to know that > there's 'idiot' and then there's "IDIOT"! > > Ed > > >
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