tool tube testing

[revmaaatin]

Hello list, Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started for home on the KLR...unfortunately, it was an hour after sundown, no moon, and it was dark. Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black objects! And I missed them all. Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. I survived better than my shorts.... Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for stupidity. He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma unit where they did their majic. revmaaatin.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma > unit where they did their majic. >

I heard if you were conscious enough to object to being sliced, the EMTs would let you keep your expensive riding gear intact. Must be an attitude thing. In any event, this guy is a good leather worker who does a great trade at stitching up race leathers after emergency workers have cut them off you: http://www.winternet.com/~roadtrip/ I can also vouch that the Zip-R-Strip is a great product, the antidote for shrinking riding gear.

[albatrossklr]

Rev, Glad to hear you dodged the bull-et this time. It does bring to mind that not only are the animals a bit more active at night (especially during this time of year), some of us seem to see a bit less-well in the dark as time goes on. So be very careful out there. albatross who no longer has the eagle eyes of his youth

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > Hello list, > Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. > > I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just > sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than > you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... > > I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started > for home on the KLR...unfortunately, it was an hour after sundown, no > moon, and it was dark. > > Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black > objects! And I missed them all. > > Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls > thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there > are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. > > The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to > dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a > three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his > glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right > track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could > see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. > > I survived better than my shorts.... > > Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open > range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are > often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. > > Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow > is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data > or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a > guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with > his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also > positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, > and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for > stupidity. > > He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma > unit where they did their majic. > > revmaaatin. >

[Arden Kysely]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> I heard if you were conscious enough to object to being sliced, the

EMTs would let you keep

> your expensive riding gear intact. Must be an attitude thing. >

Probably a legal thing: EMT doesn't cut the clothes, misses the ruptured femoral artery, patient bleeds out and dies, realtives sue. It's the American way. My riding gear is on the 'expendable' list; my life isn't.

> In any event, this guy is a good leather worker who does a great

trade at stitching up race

> leathers after emergency workers have cut them off you: > http://www.winternet.com/~roadtrip/ > I can also vouch that the Zip-R-Strip is a great product, the

antidote for shrinking riding

> gear. >

Here's another solution: http://www.konaworld.com/08_dawgdeluxe_w.htm __Arden

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight

nurse

> > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him,

and

> > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded

his

> > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the

trauma

> > unit where they did their majic. > > > > I heard if you were conscious enough to object to being sliced, the

EMTs would let you keep

> your expensive riding gear intact. Must be an attitude thing. >

Hello Judd, Yes, perhaps--but the rules change when the arms and legs underneath are broken, pelvis broken, and the med team has had over an hour of his verbal abuse. cough. then it was a 'fight' between the medic and nurse, "You got to cut off the last leather jacket, it's my turn!" and so it goes....

> In any event, this guy is a good leather worker who does a great

trade at stitching up race

> leathers after emergency workers have cut them off you: > http://www.winternet.com/~roadtrip/ > I can also vouch that the Zip-R-Strip is a great product, the

antidote for shrinking riding

> gear. >

List, this is a useful link and product Judd has suggested. I would like to get one of these things for my heated vest. Would you belive it has shrunk as well!!!! The Naval Aviation 'riggers' in flight equipment used to call those things, 'fat-staps' when installed in our survival equipment. Shrinking flight equipment is much like shrinking riding gear--and even worse if you have to wear a wet or dry suit under your flight gear. And this was before they made 'Anti-Monkey Butt' powder. The subsequent prickly heat from wearing a wet suit for 10+hrs is not your frind, but neither is 35F sea water out over the North Sea in February. revmaaatin.

[Chris Norloff]

Yeah, it's dangerous when *all* the cows and bulls don't have reflectors. Chris P.S. Glad you survived your 'bull riding'. Did any of them get real friendly to you? -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of revmaaatin Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:37 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Riding at night Hello list, Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started for home on the KLR...unfortunately, it was an hour after sundown, no moon, and it was dark. Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black objects! And I missed them all. Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. I survived better than my shorts.... Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for stupidity. He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma unit where they did their majic. revmaaatin. ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links

[hobbhavnklr650]

In my days as a volunteer EMT in cow country (C. Idaho), nothing set off a drunk cowboy off like the threat of cutting off his boots. As EMT's, our rule was that all skin sees the light of day. It's easy to get fixated on the blood or an open wound and never see the injury that is truly life threatening. I often remember the drunks who pretended to be passed out so they could play Mr. Contrary and not cooperate. A firmly placed twisting knuckle in the center of the sternum quickly separated those who were out and those who just wished they were. Keith Idaho KLR In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > Hello list, > Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. > > I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just > sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than > you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... > > I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started > for home on the KLR...unfortunately, it was an hour after sundown, no > moon, and it was dark. > > Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black > objects! And I missed them all. > > Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls > thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there > are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. > > The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to > dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a > three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his > glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right > track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could > see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. > > I survived better than my shorts.... > > Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open > range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are > often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. > > Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow > is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data > or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a > guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with > his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also > positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, > and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for > stupidity. > > He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma > unit where they did their majic. > > revmaaatin. >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I try not to ride at night ........ remembering my crash (hurt) as I hit the hole I didn't see as I was ricky roadracing around a lake road 35 years ago, or the drunk that hit me from the rear 30 years ago or the many glowing eyes of deer by the road side at 4 AM northwest of Austin TX or being surrounded by trucks at 75 mph on I-20 coming back from Big Bend Natl. Park to discover the next day that my clip was off my master link. There is a God. Watch out for J walkers at night also. Criswell

On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:37 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > Hello list, > Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. > > I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just > sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than > you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... > > I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started > for home on the KLR...unfortunately, it was an hour after sundown, no > moon, and it was dark. > > Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black > objects! And I missed them all. > > Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls > thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there > are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. > > The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to > dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a > three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his > glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right > track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could > see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. > > I survived better than my shorts.... > > Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open > range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are > often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. > > Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow > is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data > or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a > guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with > his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also > positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, > and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for > stupidity. > > He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma > unit where they did their majic. > > revmaaatin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Hedrek]

I drove a little Subaru Justy smack dab through an aluminum camper top that was sitting right in the middle of my lane on I25 one night. My car's front end was pretty worn out so there was no chance for evasive action. It pretty much exploded without doing much damage to the car. Don't do as I did and back up to see what it was, because the 18 wheelers coming by just blow the debris back on to you! I did nick a deer in that car near the Guadalupe Mountains. Not much more protection that a bike, lucky it was a very slight nick. Robert Hedrick Albuquerque, NM

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Riding at night To: "revmaaatin" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 7:50 AM I try not to ride at night ........ remembering my crash (hurt) as I hit the hole I didn't see as I was ricky roadracing around a lake road 35 years ago, or the drunk that hit me from the rear 30 years ago or the many glowing eyes of deer by the road side at 4 AM northwest of Austin TX or being surrounded by trucks at 75 mph on I-20 coming back from Big Bend Natl. Park to discover the next day that my clip was off my master link. There is a God. Watch out for J walkers at night also. Criswell On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:37 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > Hello list, > Happy to report, I have escaped with my life again. > > I try not to ride at night, I really do. cough. but sometimes it just > sneaks up on you. Faster than you think, and it is further home than > you wish. And it is all down a dark, gravel road.... > > I had finished baling some hay for a friend last night and started > for home on the KLR...unfortunately , it was an hour after sundown, no > moon, and it was dark. > > Yikes! There is a black object, on the gravel road! NO! Many black > objects! And I missed them all. > > Yes, boys and girls, this is the time of year when Angus bulls > thoughts turn to love and fences mean very little to them if there > are "HOT" cows on the other side of the road. > > The boys went a wandering, at least 6 of them, which I managed to > dodge, due to fortuitous good luck to be in the center track of a > three track gravel road. Mr Angus bull (very black--except for his > glossy green butt from eating the tall grass) was in the far right > track. I expect I was some 20 feet or less from him before I could > see his outline. At 45mph, that is killing distance. > > I survived better than my shorts.... > > Point of all this...in SD and most western states, it is an open > range state. The driver must be very aware, that cattle can, and are > often on the road, even in areas where it is not posted as open range. > > Riders beware! if you have to ride at night. Hitting a bull or a cow > is likely worse than hitting a deer, though I have no empirical data > or personal experience to substantiate that claim. I did pick up a > guy 2 years ago in Millbank, SD that had struck and KILLED a cow with > his Harley. He wasn't dead, but was really messed up. He was also > positive for cannabis, alcohol, cocaine, and and I think, meth. oh, > and I think it was noted on his chart, that he 'popped positive' for > stupidity. > > He was still cognizant enough to give the ER team and my flight nurse > a good cussing when they said they were going to cut off > his 'leathers'. Hit him with a paralyzing drug, intubated him, and > unceremoniously trimmed him down to his birthday suit. We loaded his > fat butt in the helo and carried him to Sioux Falls, SD to the trauma > unit where they did their majic. > > revmaaatin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Norloff]

Glad to hear you had good results. My tool tube testing was a little different. I could test how it would work at the maximum aggressiveness I would ride, but I figured I couldn't test it in an emergency situation ... maximum braking on pavement, about to lock ... or hitting debris in the road ... or whatever. So I strapped the front end all the way down (easier if you remove the fork springs, of course), allowed for a little flex in the fork tubes, and measured the clearance. It was too close for comfort for me, unless I mounted the tool tube really low. So I decided against installing the tool tube. YMMV, Chris -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldrider25 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:21 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Tool Tube Testing OK, a short while back, there was a kerfuffle about tool tubes, durability, and the possibility of tire interference when mounting to the skid plate. I took a ride to the local mountains and tested it on designated motorcycle single tracks and ATV trails. All of it was dirt; there were no large rocks. There was one trail that turned out to not be a trail. I rode over a couple of berms (the type they put on trails to tell you they're closed to moto travel) no sweat. The suspension got a workout and the moguls were steep, very closely spaced (about 1-1.5' peak to trough, 1-2 wheelbase lengths peak to peak) only hit the tube once on the right end and it's fine. No surprises since it's made of ABS and is very tough. I've hit it with a framing hammer against a sharp corner of my shop vice and all it got was a small dent. There was zero contact with the tire w/ the suspension working as hard as I was willing to push a heavy dual sport. The tube was re-mounted just below the skid plate u-bolt on the front which makes it vulnerable to rocks, etc. I changed the location after reading that some list members experienced some tire contact on the trail. Mounting the tube above the u-bolt still allows clearance for the front tire under full compression but it's close. I'm going to remount it at the higher location and test the set up again. I don't like the lower mounting location b/c it makes it very susceptible to large rocks. It would make it impossible to ride over a log w/ a dia. that is even with the skid plate's bottom without tearing the whole assy off the bike, IMO. I went down a couple very steep descents and hit many a trough, creating significant rearward and upward force, again, without any tire/tube compression. I'm satisfied with the tool tube's durability and mounting location. YMMV. John ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links