I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without
doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with
full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or
reduce the choke, even after it warms up.
Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had a
similar problem already knows?
How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online
with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary?
I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up
on a long trip for 3 months.
ditching
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Arden Kysely
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Sounds like the slow speed circuit in your carb is clogged. First
thing I'd try is adding some Seafoam to your gas, then starting it and
letting it idle to let the Seafoam do it's thing. Try opening the
throttle a litte every couple of minutes. This worked once on my DR-Z
for this problem. Another time I had to take off the carb to clean the
jet.
__Arden
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dave.rogoski"
wrote:
a> > I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with > full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had
> similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up > on a long trip for 3 months. >
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Mike Frey
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Arden's advice is good. Another suggestion is to turn the fuel tap to the
"off" position and let it run out of gas. Or drain the carb, whichever is
easier.
Then pull the fuel delivery hose from your fuel tap and fill the carb up
with a 50:50 mix of gas and Seafoam (or Techron) and let it sit overnight.
It may take some riding to clear it out completely, but if the stuff is
working, you'll know.
Note to Ninja 250 owners: don't ever let them sit for 3 months or you
WILL be taking the carbs apart to clean them!
dave.rogoski wrote:
> > I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with > full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had a > similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up > on a long trip for 3 months. > >
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Kevin Powers
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Sounds to me like there is a pudding-like goo in the middle....between the
left and right ears. A can of Seafoam or bottle of Stabil would have saved
you a bunch of work puddinhead.
Kevin
Crabby because we're about to get snowed on yet again. 
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM, dave.rogoski
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM, dave.rogoski
wrote:
-- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with > full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had a > similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up > on a long trip for 3 months. > > >
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Jeff Saline
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:12:03 -0000 "dave.rogoski"
writes:
<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Dave, I'm with Arden and Mike on this. Get some Seafoam into the carb and let it sit overnight. Then try to ride it or at least work the engine with the throttle so the passages get a chance to get cleaned. If the Seafoam doesn't do the job you can probably turn the carb so the top is to the left and remove the float bowl on the right side. Then you can access the jets and clean them properly. Make sure you loosen the choke lever so you have more play at the carb. If you don't you'll have a better chance of breaking it at the carb. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT> I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with > > full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had > a > similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up > > on a long trip for 3 months.
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Jud Jones
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dave.rogoski" wrote:
Gooed up pilot jet. If Seafoam in the fuel doesn't clear it up, try some Yamaha carb cleaner. Follow the directions on the can: mix 50/50 with fresh gasoline, and use a pump oiler to fill the float bowl. let stand overnight, or over a long lunch hour. Drain the bowl and start the bike, or start it up on the mix. Chase with Seafoam in the fuel tank. If that doesn't clear it up, remove the float bowl and clean the pilot jet manually.> > I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles with > full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had a > similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended up > on a long trip for 3 months. >
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revmaaatin
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Powers"
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Kevin Powers> Kevin > Crabby because we're about to get snowed on yet again.
Kevin, Same here in central South Dakota. Extra gallon of milk, bread, and eggs. sigh. Snowing like a madman; I am on the way out to the Model A detached garage to 'combat' re-load the two wheelers so my wife can have the garage back for the next few days. She had been ejected last Thursday, (I got to go for a nice 138 mile parish ride on Saturday), but the wx is working against me. With today's wx, I don't get to ride or use the garage. Combat loading: think, as many screws in a jar as you can...that is what combat loading my garage looks like--leaving a slot for her car. (Not complaining! Everyone should have a woman that encourages one in their motorcycle addiction as she does!) Hmmm. I wonder if the insurance agent told her about the life insurance policy? Could be. smile. revmaaatin.> White Bear Lake, MN
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revmaaatin
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dave.rogoski"
wrote:
with> > I parked my new 419 miles Kawasaki KLR 650 last September without > doing any winterization. I just tried to start it and it idles
a> full choke but dies immediately when I try to open the throttle or > reduce the choke, even after it warms up. > > Is this a gummed up carb or stuck slide - maybe someone who has had
up> similar problem already knows? > > How difficult is it to fix this and is there any KLR manuals online > with the step by step to remove the carb if necessary? > > I thought I would be riding again soon when I bought it but ended
Hello Dave, Capt. Anal Retentive-Low Maint. High Impact a.k.a.AR-LoMHI (...written after reading the entire thread--as the wind howls outside my Dakota window, and drifts the garage closed from blowing snow) I hope it was a good trip! Bummer on the dead bike. Others have offered solutions for the immediate problem--I offer the solution for next fall.... I hate a bike that won't run--and the very one thing, if you do nothing else (Dave and others) is start to add Sea Foam to your fuel anytime you 'think' you are within 30 days of not riding anymore. Yeah, it's anal-retentive. I start adding Seafoam (as suggested here at this forum) in late Sept/early Oct--the wx is can be that wacky--not knowing when the last day of the riding season will occur. The fuel can is treated so that all the little bikes (5) have Seafoam treated fuel starting in Sept. The KLR gets it in late Oct, and runs on treated fuel through the winter, every ride, every fuel stop. This year, I parked the KLR in Mid-Nov. and did not restart until last week. Started reasonably well soon after start was attempted. Again, give your bike treated fuel within 30 days of you thinking you will need it. You really don't know when your last ride for the winter will be. Yeah, its anal retentive. Why bother? I just don't have the time to mess with gummy carbs, on 7 bikes, a lawnmower, snow blower, blah, blah, blah...and neither do you. Interesting learning point...you might have 'ignored' this item of advice last fall...but I am sure you will go to NAPA (sic) and get some soon. Which goes to say: Experience is the best teacher...cough, a highly over-rated statement. The KLR FAQ and its 'child', the KLR list is your new best friend, and the best thing going for learning about the KLR. Not offered here in this thread, but often offered by poster Jeff Saline, shut off the fuel tap a minute or so before you turn off the bike. Takes the pressure off the float mech, etc--and may have additional therapeutic effects on carb jets, etc. N0TE: understand how soon you bike will die from fuel starvation after you shut off the fuel tap. Having your big pig die in an intersection makes folks like me work overtime. My pig gives me very little indication that it is dying from fuel starvation--goes from running good, slight hesitation, say one potato, two, and it is dead! YMMV in this circumstance but I doubt it. Change the gas often. smile. Find a group of guys in your area (tell us where you live) and find out when there will be a maintenance/tech day near where you live. Close=200 miles or less. smile. It might be what you are in need of right now. While you are at it, have them show you how to turn the idle air screw out to two turns. and, Make sure you get your valve clnc checked near the 1000 smile mark. revmaaatin.> on a long trip for 3 months. >
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Mike Frey
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I parked my Suzuki 750 around 1986, thinking that I'd ride
it again soon.
... It was 20 years later. Left sitting with a full tank of
gas,
it looked like it was trying to revert back to crude oil.
The carbs definitely needed some heavy duty cleaning!
PS: It started right up
----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Powers To: dave.rogoski Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Didn't Winterize Now Won't Start Sounds to me like there is a pudding-like goo in the middle....between the left and right ears. A can of Seafoam or bottle of Stabil would have saved you a bunch of work puddinhead. Kevin Crabby because we're about to get snowed on yet again.
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Chris Norloff
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When I buy gas in a can for lawnmower, bikes, etc. I add Seafoam then. It
stabilizes the gas and I never have to worry.
Still working on how to do it for all the bikes - some I ride little enough
they should all get regular Seafoam. I've now had three bikes' carbs gum up
with Stabil in the gas ... I hope the techniques folks have shared here
will work (fill the float bowl with Seafoam mix or Yamaha Carb Cleaner mix).
best,
Chris
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From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of revmaaatin
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:44 PM
To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Didn't Winterize Now Won't Start
...
Others have offered solutions for the immediate problem--I offer the
solution for next fall....
I hate a bike that won't run--and the very one thing, if you do nothing else
(Dave and others) is start to add Sea Foam to your fuel anytime you 'think'
you are within 30 days of not riding anymore.
Yeah, it's anal-retentive.
I start adding Seafoam (as suggested here at this forum) in late Sept/early
Oct--the wx is can be that wacky--not knowing when the last day of the
riding season will occur. The fuel can is treated so that all the little
bikes (5) have Seafoam treated fuel starting in Sept. The KLR gets it in
late Oct, and runs on treated fuel through the winter, every ride, every
fuel stop. This year, I parked the KLR in Mid-Nov. and did not restart until
last week. Started reasonably well soon after start was attempted. Again,
give your bike treated fuel within 30 days of you thinking you will need it.
You really don't know when your last ride for the winter will be.
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