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nklr - don't try to take a handgun out of ny

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:09 am
by Kevin Powers
The bureaucratic BS isn't limited to France. When my Dad passed away recently, I didn't think it was smart to leave his handguns in an empty house. So, armed with his pistol permits, death certificate and a pistol case I tried to bring them home with me to MN. When I declared them in my checked luggage a Port Authority cop was called over to check the paperwork. Since I don't have a NY pistol permit I was held for two hours and the guns were kept by the cops for "safekeeping". Fortunately (?) my flight on Northwest was delayed four hours so I didn't miss it. After a week of writing checks to FFLs in NY and MN and getting letters notarized I'm optimistic that I may see the guns again in a couple of weeks. -- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

don't bring your klr650 to france

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:20 pm
by Mark Harfenist
My experience, which is ongoing, was very different from yours in most respects. I shipped a KLR to Germany last fall via World Motorcycle Tours (http://www.gate.net/~bikeship/), drove it around Europe and North Africa for several months, left in in the care of someone I met on this website, and will return for more riding this summer. I had absolutely no trouble with any of it, excepting only the hour and a half it took to clear German customs. Shipping was by Lufthansa, with no disassembly or draining of fluids required. I even left my panniers and topbox attached and filled with tools, riding gear and other stuff. I did buy European "green card" insurance from Knopftours (http://www.knopftours.com/), and this cost $300 for 4 months, or somewhat more than what you paid. This doesn't seem unreasonable to me considering the ease with which I was able to do it (send a checkin US dollars, receive all necessary paperwork in the mail a week or two later), though I understand that there are cheaper options. Shipping back to the States is more expensive than shipping to Europe, but I plan to use Knoptours for this as well, since they have a container going to Florida each winter. This will be by boat rather than air, therefore much slower....but then again, it'll be mid-winter. I just contacted Stephen Knopf about the cost: 750 Euros, or about $1100. I've not met him but I heard only good things about his operation from other riders in Europe. I don't know whether France is significantly different from Germany, but I cannot fathom why you had so much trouble and I did not. I am also perplexed at the prices you're quoting for shipping to the States. Motorcycle Transport will ship that direction by air for about $2200, but you can also make your own arrangements with Lufthansa. I found them generally efficient and professional on the European side, though somewhat confused and amateurish in New York. I did look into rentals, but found these either affordable but severely limited (bikes which could not leave Bulgaria, for example) or horrifyingly expensive (in the thousands of dollars per month, with insurance additional. I also wouldn't have been able to ride through Morocco, which was a real highlight. If you're not already doing so, you might want to track discussions of this and similar issues on Horizons Unlimited. Enjoy! Mark Posted by: "Gregory Caruso" illartein1@... illartein1 Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:19 am (PDT) Hi all, Just a quick note on an experience I had. On July 29, 2007 I retired, thought I would take a nice well earned vacation in France. Shipped the bike over and when I arrived in France due to all the changes in government etc I could not ride it until I met all the requirements . Different laws applied to foreign vehicles imported into France. One you have to have a letter of conformity from a Kawasaki Corporation out of Paris, France they would not respond to my calls. So, went to local Kawasaki dealerships 3 to be exact. They all said the paper had to come from Paris. But, they wouldn't make a call. Then the insurance cost was astronomical 406 Euros a year $635.00USD. The countryside and mountain trails are unbelievable and I could go on and on. But, the beaureacy sucks. The first of the year when the new president changed a lot of different laws it included importing vehicles from overseas. The shippers wanted anywhere from $4,700 to $7,800 USD to get it back to the states. I really like the bike and hated to part with it but, I have a close friend who lives in the mountains away from all the Police etc. I gave it to him providing his wife will also accept it. Shipping it back was just not cost effective. I will probably purchase another when I return. So, don't make the same mistake I did. Try to rent a bike in Europe if you can find a place that will rent to foreigners. Greg 2006-Red KLR650 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ