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heat grips -- heat troller installed

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:44 pm
by Jeff Saline
Listers, I've had issues with my heated grips since I installed the first set three years ago. I've finally got the issues sorted by installing a dual control heat troller and finished the installation this afternoon about 3. I've posted 5 pictures in the group photo section in an album titled "* Heated Grip Controller". The * makes it the first album in the photo section. In a few days I'll remove the * and you'll have to hunt to find the pictures. I took a test ride today of 78 miles using the heated grips for about 50 of them. Ambient temp today was 68 degrees in Rapid City it got down to the high 50s when I got to higher elevations. But that was a good test as I know the heating elements work well on full power at the low or high settings in cold weather. Normally using full power I would only be able to have the power on the low elements for about 4 minutes before they would get so hot it was uncomfortable. Today I was able to regulate the grip temperatures for comfort for the entire 50 mile test. The original problem was uneven heat levels between the left and right grips. I was using Dual-Star heating elements. I over came one common problem by using bicycle grip cork tape over the left handle bar before installing the heating element. That served to insulate the heating element from the metal bar reducing the heat sink effect. The problem with the uneven heat levels was maybe compounded by the insulation of the cork tape. The Dual-Star elements are different wattages for each side. One note for folks considering doing the installation with cork tape. It makes the left grip larger than a normal left grip inside diameter. So what I did was buy two sets of grips and use the throttle side grips. I'm installing the clutch side grips on bicycles this spring. You could also install them on ATVs. Kid size motorcycles, like 50s, use smaller diameter bars so they won't fit on them. I didn't like the uneven heating try Moose ATV heating elements. They electrically tested the same for each side which was the same as the clutch side of the Dual-Star elements. The new problem was the clutch side now got so hot after about 4 minutes I couldn't hold on any more. It was cooking my hand. The good thing is they were effective. I didn't like having to continually reach up to the switch on the dash of my KLR and flip the grip heaters on and off. After a year of only being able to use the heated grips for about 4 minutes at a time I researched Heat Trollers. I got one for a heated vest and decided I'd try it on the grips. I think you can learn more about them at http://www.warmnsafe.com . I decided to get the dual control so I would have comfortable temperature levels on all my cooler weather riding. If you order from them make sure you look around for the discount. You have to be a member of an organized club and it cuts a bit off the price. It was still kind of pricey at $95 but man did I enjoy the use of it today. I'm confident I'll get lots of use from it on other cooler weather rides. After a bunch of thinking I decided to mount the controller on the left grip using the original mirror mount. In 2004 I made a new mirror and choke lever mount as a machining exercise so the stock mirror mount on the left controls was available. I like this location as I don't have to take my hand off the grip to change heat settings for either grip. I made a small mount with a M10 1.00 pitch stud and a thin locknut. The controller is held to the mount with velcro. In use during my test ride today the mount was easy to use and firmly in place. The controller is mounted on the lower right inside of the fairing. I made a bracket that hangs from the right turn signal stalk mount nut. I figured this was a strong point as it also holds a bracket that helps hang the fairing. Although my initial test fits worked well, in actual use the lower triple tree just brushed the lower rear bracket cover mounting bolt when the bars were moved left. The bracket is way over designed so I had no problem removing the lower corner and only using one lower mount bolt. I now have about 3/8" clearance. I think the only time the forks will ever be turned so far left as to brush the bracket would be when stopped, but I didn't want to chance a problem. The bracket is quite rigid and serves it's purpose well. I've wired the heat troller so it's power supply is controlled by the key. That way if I forget to turn off the heat troller knobs I still kill the power when the key is off. I've got the troller power going to a switch so I can select either the low or high heating elements. I think I'll usually use the low setting but if a low element is inoperative I can select the high setting and just turn the heat troller control to a lower level. So that's my most recent KLR activity. Oh, the 2nd radiator continues to work well. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

heat grips -- heat troller installed

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:27 am
by Jeff Saline
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Garrett Smith writes: I've been using the Warm N safe gear for a while now. I've bashed it, drowned and rode in pouring rain with it. The liner, heat troller and heated gloves work great. Love 'em. Disclosure: I sell them too. Garrett <><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Garrett, Just wondering if you have any experience shortening the cables from the controller to the heat troller? The cables are about 2 feet too long for my application. I considered cutting them but don't want to mess up a $95 part. A few years ago Martin Earl suggested I install quick disconnects on his and my fairings for easier removal. We did that mod and it works well. Now the only thing connected to the fairing that doesn't have quick disconnects are the two controller cables. Just to be clear, I'd talking about the heavy black cables not the white and blue wires. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

2008 tank bag fit older klr?

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:38 am
by Fred Hink
The tankbags are different and have different mounting systems. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com http://s1.zetaboards.com/arrowhead
----- Original Message ----- From: mjdublah To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 2008 Tank bag fit older KLR? Does anybody know if the tank bag from Kawi for the 2008 fits the older KLRs? Thanks, -Matt Duftler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]