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Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:48 pm**

thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll never get rid of my 03 klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to compare the plusses and minuses? i won't be able to keep both.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:13 pm**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote:

> > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll

never get rid of my 03

> klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to

compare the plusses and

> minuses? i won't be able to keep both. >

Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though. Shane

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:07 pm**

1995 is first year of oilhead, lots of problems. 1997 and up corrected most, except "surging" Your 1997 Concours is way better (than a 95BMW) for half the price. I have 100,000 plus on my 2000 BMW, nothing done to it, very reliable.

On Jan 22, 2008 6:13 PM, Shane wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "tom" > wrote: > > > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll > never get rid of my 03 > > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to > compare the plusses and > > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > > > > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't > afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its > third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are > crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though. > Shane > > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:35 pm**

I just went thru the same research on BMW's. There was some real good deals on R1100R's around here. The years were 1994 to 1997 or so. Went to a Beemer list, asked around, all reports were the 94 thru 97 had trans problems, like the gentleman said, $2500 if you get a bad one that needs fixing. I think it was 98 when they came out with the improved trans?? g

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Concours vs BMW GS --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote: > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll never get rid of my 03 > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to compare the plusses and > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though. Shane List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:58 pm**

My '95 R1100GS has 80k, no transmission problems ever. Best bike I've ever owned (shhh). I got nothin'. --John Kokola Shane wrote:

> Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't > afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its > third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are > crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:21 pm**

I have a 75 airhead, had a 95 R1100RS, and now have a 2001 Connie. The 75 is a true classic. Built like a John Deere tractor, and about as sophisticated. Great bike for the tinkerer. The RS I had only briefly. It had "issues", like poor starting, roving idle and oil consumption. I did the forum thing and found that most owners liked their bikes but almost all had horror stories somewhere. One member advised that I find a trashed R1100 just so I could take it apart and get to know it better---because I would need to! The local BMW mechanics had little to offer in advice other than "bring it in". I don't find them a real friendly bunch in general. The Connie, on the other hand, is pretty trouble free, cost about a grand less for a 6 year newer bike with half the miles and has no impending issues. The BMW R bikes have transmission, rear drive train, fuel injection and head bearing issues. The worse issue on the Connis seems to be carbs that need rebuilding every couple of years for some from dirt in the gas (remedied with good filters), fuel petcocks that can go south and cause severe engine problems similar to our own doohickey, also easily remedied with an aftermarket petcock. The Connie is definitely faster but the BMW was no slouch either. BMW brakes are great, but just OK in the connie. Sound familiar? Both have strong forum support, but the Connie just has fewer issues. Parts are readily available too. I rode the BMW pretty fast and found it 'quick" but not breathtaking. The Connie, at 10,000RPM will fill your system with adrenaline in every gear but 6th, if you have the guts. While BMW has that reputation for rolling the odometer over it is not so prevelant with the oil heads as it was with the airheads. Connies can go the distance but not many make it to 200,000. On the other hand the BMW's that roll 200k usually have serious rebuilds. Either way you have a great bike. One is just more expensive than the other.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "GaryS" wrote: > > I just went thru the same research on BMW's. There was some real good deals on R1100R's around here. The years were 1994 to 1997 or > so. Went to a Beemer list, asked around, all reports were the 94 thru 97 had trans problems, like the gentleman said, $2500 if you > get a bad one that needs fixing. > > I think it was 98 when they came out with the improved trans?? > > g > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:13 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Concours vs BMW GS > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote: > > > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll > never get rid of my 03 > > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to > compare the plusses and > > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > > > > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't > afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its > third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are > crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though. > Shane > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:21 pm**

Yeah, I had to replace all the driveline splines on my 1989 BMW K100 LT ($2,000!) only 5,000 miles after a BMW dealer checked them all, said they were fine, and greased the transmission input splines. On the good side, the transmission fit in the trunk on my 1981 Honda CB750F, which was much more reliable than the BMW, so I could get it serviced. Feel free to insert jokes about grease and shafts ... recovering BMW owner, Chris P.S. So I bought a 1992 Honda ST1100 ABS, and it was the bike I thought I was getting when I bought the BMW. Now I've had the Honda for about 8 years, and it still hasn't cost as much as one BMW repair. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Concours vs BMW GS

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote: > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. i'll never get rid of my 03 > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to compare the plusses and > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't afford both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its third trans. Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are crap. Oh, those transmissions are only $2500.- though. Shane List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:19 pm**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" wrote:

> P.S. So I bought a 1992 Honda ST1100 ABS, and it was the bike I

thought I

> was getting when I bought the BMW. Now I've had the Honda for about

8 years,

> and it still hasn't cost as much as one BMW repair. >

~~~I was wondering when someone would jump in and recommend to Tom to think about buying a used ST 1100. I bought a 93' ST third hand in 01' with 21 K miles on the odo, rode it for a few years and sold it with 90 K miles showing. Only part failure I had was a clock illumination bulb burn out at 48 K miles. Now that the ST 1300 has been available for 5 years, finding a good price on an 1100 should be fairly easy Jake Reddick Fla. STOC #2436

> > Yeah, I had to replace all the driveline splines on my 1989 BMW

K100 LT

> ($2,000!) only 5,000 miles after a BMW dealer checked them all,

said they

> were fine, and greased the transmission input splines. > > On the good side, the transmission fit in the trunk on my 1981

Honda CB750F,

> which was much more reliable than the BMW, so I could get it

serviced.

> > Feel free to insert jokes about grease and shafts ... > > recovering BMW owner, > Chris > > P.S. So I bought a 1992 Honda ST1100 ABS, and it was the bike I

thought I

> was getting when I bought the BMW. Now I've had the Honda for about

8 years,

> and it still hasn't cost as much as one BMW repair. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Shane > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Concours vs BMW GS > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote: > > > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100.

i'll

> never get rid of my 03 > > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to > compare the plusses and > > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > > > > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't

afford

> both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its third

trans.

> Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are crap. Oh,

those

> transmissions are only $2500.- though. > Shane > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map

at:

> http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links >

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:04 am**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "James Morrow Sr" wrote:

> > 1995 is first year of oilhead, lots of problems.

Run my '95 R11GSA 50K miles in 3 years including running over a deer. Not never any problems cept a slight pull to the left when taking my hands off the bars after hitting the deer. Still run it for another 20K after the incident. ''97 R11RA./ about 30K miles in 3 years. No problems except banging the bottom of the engine on rocks on mountain backroads. Hence. '03 R1150GSA 50K miles in 4 years. Never a problem. Got rid of it due to dealer problems and distance and just wanted to try something else for a bit. '43 Andy in Louisiana '00 KLR650 '03 Chevy truck '06 DL1000

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:07 am**

I've had friends riding them , Agree, One of the finest bikes ever made. Just not enuff ground clearance for the roads I like to ride once in awhile is the reason I've never bought one. AC in Louisiana

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Wilson" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" > wrote: > > > > > > > P.S. So I bought a 1992 Honda ST1100 ABS, and it was the bike I > thought I > > was getting when I bought the BMW. Now I've had the Honda for about > 8 years, > > and it still hasn't cost as much as one BMW repair. > > > > > > > > ~~~I was wondering when someone would jump in and recommend to Tom to > think about buying a used ST 1100. I bought a 93' ST third hand in > 01' with 21 K miles on the odo, rode it for a few years and sold it > with 90 K miles showing. Only part failure I had was a clock > illumination bulb burn out at 48 K miles. Now that the ST 1300 has > been available for 5 years, finding a good price on an 1100 should be > fairly easy > > > > > Jake > Reddick Fla. > STOC #2436 > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I had to replace all the driveline splines on my 1989 BMW > K100 LT > > ($2,000!) only 5,000 miles after a BMW dealer checked them all, > said they > > were fine, and greased the transmission input splines. > > > > On the good side, the transmission fit in the trunk on my 1981 > Honda CB750F, > > which was much more reliable than the BMW, so I could get it > serviced. > > > > Feel free to insert jokes about grease and shafts ... > > > > recovering BMW owner, > > Chris > > > > P.S. So I bought a 1992 Honda ST1100 ABS, and it was the bike I > thought I > > was getting when I bought the BMW. Now I've had the Honda for about > 8 years, > > and it still hasn't cost as much as one BMW repair. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Shane > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Concours vs BMW GS > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tom" wrote: > > > > > > thinking of trading my 1997 concours in on a 1995 BMW GS 1100. > i'll > > never get rid of my 03 > > > klr. does anyone have experience with both the concours and GS to > > compare the plusses and > > > minuses? i won't be able to keep both. > > > > > > > Keep the Concours, you won't be able to keep the BMW if you can't > afford > > both. I have a '95 RS with 23000 mi. which I am building its third > trans. > > Should you want a BMW, look to pre '85 only. The rest are crap. Oh, > those > > transmissions are only $2500.- though. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map > at: > > http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

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