which gps?

[Ian Francisco]

All the below sounds right on to me except for the choice of shoes. I used to wear steel toe hiking/work boots to ride (cheap K-mart shoes) but stopped when I read that they can amputate toes in the wrong fall on a bike. That would make walking out 50 miles a little tough. Even though I was less than 15 miles from civilization I was darn careful putting along that fire road. One of the things that makes riding fun is that it triggers the survival instinct, the fight or flight response. Most of us working our "soul crushing jobs in cubicles" lead an altogether too safe of a life. For me, to even point a two-wheeler out into L.A. basin traffic wakes up something primal. So, until I figure out how to flip my attitude on a job that I would be a fool to walk away from, it's two-wheeled travel for me, as much as I can manage. I even had to ride in this wet weather to try out the wet asphalt capabilities of the Kenda K270s. The rear tire works well, the front leaves something to be desired, but it is the more worn of the two tires. Re: Was: speed on a KLR, Now: GPS/PLB? Posted by: "bryan burke" bryantburke@... bryanonfire Fri Jan 4, 2008 6:39 pm (PST) I ride, backpack, ski, kayak, and run rivers alone quite a bit throughout the west. I've done a lot of research on Personal Locator Beacons. I have also done three cross Pacific flights (Indonesia to AZ) ferrying airplanes (slow and low, not jets) to the US, with the real possibility of going down in the Pacific a thousand miles from land. Here's my opinion on rescue beacons. First, never count on rescue from an external source. While I have a high regard for the Coast Guard and the Air Force PJs, I can't say the same for the average county SAR team, unless you happen to crash in Yosemite National Park. Most SAR teams are just like the people they are going after: fat, out of shape, and none too skilled. While traveling with a partner or two is nice, the fact is that if you are adventurous, you can't wait for other people to get the gear, skills, and time to go on trips or you'll never get them done. So don't be intimidated by solo travel, but respect the risks. I do try to avoid any situation that could result in a serious problem, regardless of method of travel. Nonetheless, on remote, solo trips I've flipped my boat a couple of times, dropped the bike four times (with all my touring gear), and been on some walks where maybe I went a little too deep. None resulted in a rescue situation, but it's a fine line. I think going out well prepared and building your backcountry skills carefully is probably a better safety net than an electronic gadget and the hope that there will be a competent organization behind it. When I'm riding remote areas I always plan to walk up to 50 miles out and carry appropriate water and gear. For example, I ride in hiking boots with a steel toe, wearing gaiters to keep out the sand and water, rather than motorcycle boots. I know I can walk out in my hiking boots. I don't know if I could do two or three days of walking in motorcycle boots. So far my falls on the KLR have been very slow speed in rough country. I've sprained my ankle (also cracking the shift lever) on one and broke a finger on another. Two other remote, solo, falls were uneventful. Two out of four involved getting a leg out from under the bike. I'm pretty strong, carry a good first aid kit, and have always been able to get out from under the bike, stand it up, and ride away. I wouldn't ride alone if I wasn't confident I could do that. So far I've always saved myself, but maybe someday I'll wish I had a way to summon rescuers. Assuming I couldn't get out on my own, I travel with enough stuff to get by for several days and let people know where I am going. Personal locator beacons are probably a good idea, although I don't carry one. Do some research: The new SPOT plb looks good initially, but once you see the long term price you might change your mind and go with something like the ACR plb. The latter would be my choice, supposing my life was worth $500. ;>) I hear they have proven pretty useful in places like Alaska where you are really out there, not just a few miles from pavement. I think a satellite phone and GPS are the best gadget combination, but sat phones are pricy and don't always work,and they are comparatively bulky. For super remote areas like the Pacific Ocean we had sat phones, multiple GPS's, personal plbs, and the plane's beacons, not to mention flares and strobes. All this has to be stashed in waterproof, shock resistant containers, and it takes up a lot of room. (An ACR plb by itself is a tidy package, you can just slip it into a pocket.) Speaking of which, a strobe and a couple of flares are cheap and light. A compass with a mirror will double as a signal mirror, something nice to have if people have a rough idea where to look. I also carry some bright orange and pink kite fabric: it's light, cheap, packs real small, and is highly visible. Of course, none of this stuff is worth much if you haven't figured out how to use it before you get in trouble, or no one knows where to look for you. In my own opinion, our culture of safety has gotten a little out of hand. People seem to think rescue is just the touch of a button away, but it just isn't so. For example, I'm sure the Reverend could tell you exactly why his helicopter won't launch on a mere cell phone call. If you think you might need someone to rescue you, you are already in over your head. If you like going beyond the range of the state patrol or sheriff's office, don't rely too much on gadgets, push your limits a little at a time, and just get used to the idea that we all have to die somewhere. 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[Chris Norloff]

How can steel-toed boots amputate your toes? Right off, I'd think anything that can collapse the steel protection would have guillotined your toes if you didn't have the steel. MythBusters did a good review of this and concluded the same thing. But perhaps there's another danger I'm not thinking of? thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Francisco Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:44 AM To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Survival of the fittest All the below sounds right on to me except for the choice of shoes. I used to wear steel toe hiking/work boots to ride (cheap K-mart shoes) but stopped when I read that they can amputate toes in the wrong fall on a bike. That would make walking out 50 miles a little tough. Even though I was less than 15 miles from civilization I was darn careful putting along that fire road. One of the things that makes riding fun is that it triggers the survival instinct, the fight or flight response. Most of us working our "soul crushing jobs in cubicles" lead an altogether too safe of a life. For me, to even point a two-wheeler out into L.A. basin traffic wakes up something primal. So, until I figure out how to flip my attitude on a job that I would be a fool to walk away from, it's two-wheeled travel for me, as much as I can manage. I even had to ride in this wet weather to try out the wet asphalt capabilities of the Kenda K270s. The rear tire works well, the front leaves something to be desired, but it is the more worn of the two tires.

[Eric Foster]

Rigs like the Kenwood TH-D7 coupled with a Foretrex are pretty simple. Yeah, SPOT is simpler though, I do agree. I was only pointing out options. Of course, the aprs route also depends on what coverage is available, or you could wait and only ride when pacsat is operating! E -- With most sports, you gain experience with practice. With dirtbikes, you gain experience with X-rays and trips to the orthopedics department. http://map.findu.com/ke1lb-14 Good Stuff, Trucks Bring It!!