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[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:27:37 -0000 "ocpianoman" writes:

> If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to > get > some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't cut > it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an > accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon > like > some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR > riders?

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Ian, I'm using a Garmin 76CSx with very good results. I don't know of any device that works as a GPS and homing type beacon. One issue I see with that type of device is being in a position to activate it if under duress. I'm just guessing here but think a workable solution is to not enter remote areas alone. Just getting a KLR off a fallen rider can be a heck of a lot of work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Shawn]

I use a navigon 7100 for all my travels, in car and on bike.But if personel tracking is your goal then this might interest you, http://www.laipac.com/personal_locator_gps.htm , if you got the dough for a 1 year service plan. very similiar to the GM onstar system except you carry it on you.Navicom and Zoombak are other gps tracking devices on the market with similar features and reasonable service plans. shawn (A16) ohio

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:27:37 -0000 "ocpianoman" > writes: > > If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to > > get > > some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't cut > > it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an > > accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon > > like > > some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR > > riders? > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Ian, > > I'm using a Garmin 76CSx with very good results. > > I don't know of any device that works as a GPS and homing type beacon. > One issue I see with that type of device is being in a position to > activate it if under duress. I'm just guessing here but think a workable > solution is to not enter remote areas alone. Just getting a KLR off a > fallen rider can be a heck of a lot of work. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Saline" To: Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Which GPS? > On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:27:37 -0000 "ocpianoman" > writes: >> If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to >> get >> some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't cut >> it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an >> accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon >> like >> some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR >> riders? > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Ian, > > I'm using a Garmin 76CSx with very good results. > > I don't know of any device that works as a GPS and homing type beacon. > One issue I see with that type of device is being in a position to > activate it if under duress. I'm just guessing here but think a workable > solution is to not enter remote areas alone. Just getting a KLR off a > fallen rider can be a heck of a lot of work. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

[traderpro2003]

Ian - This is not an easy (or GPS) question to answer. In most cases, telling someone EXACTLY where you're going and sticking to it is enough to survive and ride again. Concerned people WILL find you. In most cases, it is up to you...meaning survive long enough until the calvary arrives. I can assure you people will go to extraordinary means to find you especially if they have any clue where to look. Personally, there is nothing more beautiful, assuring and heavenly than the sound of...thud thud thud thud thud of that MEDEVAC helo coming into sight and popp'in smoke. There are several solutions here each with pros and cons. None is perfect. By this I mean technology provides near-solutions but always introduces some limitation which might not matter anyway under certain conditions (i.e., bad weather, fire storm, fire fight!, etc.) Now, I've been in some [expletive] gnarly places in the world (remote, unsafe, inhospitable...endulge your imagination) and always have trouble answering this myself. If cost were no objective on a remote moto adventure, I carry my Iridium satellite phone, 2 GPS (1 permanent mount and one hand-held), detailed maps, compass, and EPIRB. My single tool of choice is the Iridium satellite phone because it provides rescuers critical information--say injured vs. deadly snake bite...six guys with AK-47s...that sort of thing. But on the water, the sat phone is pretty much worthless especially if you've lost your GPS and you're drifting in very cold water. Here you carry a submersion-activated EPIRB attached unconditionally to your body. If you ignore maritime GMDSS situations (afterall, we're talking d/s riding here) there are two types of devices to consider: SPM or PLB. A satellite personal messenger like SPOT uses a commercial satellite service (Globalstar) to send limited, location-specific messages to peers or 911-like responders. The other is a PLB using COSPAS-SARSAT satellites that's fire-and-forget. The main difference is the SPM can send all-is-well position update messages vs. the PLB is activated ONLY when all hope is lost and it's truly do-or-die. Device: SPOT http://www.rei.com/product/766529 http://findmespot.com/ The limits here include: no dialog with rescuers, requires positive activation, need clear view of the sky, who knows the efficacy of results/TR rescue in some parts of the world. Device: ACR http://www.rei.com/product/751974?cm_sp=prod*desc_rel_item*element This PLB this relies on satellite detection but otherwise works highly-reliably anywhere on the planet. But like SPOT there is no dialogue with rescuers and you need to deploy the attached antenna before activating fire-n-forget. You pay a one-time fee for this device. I'm highlighting these devices, so you really need to read ALL the details to understand pros/cons. The key take-away is none of the devices help a severely injured or otherwise incapacitated rider or device. If you can't deploy, the device is worthless. So, absent the latest tech, what can you do? File a ride, flight or float plan and use Rule of 24. I use this most often and find it most effect. In dire situations, you have something to actually look forward to...your plan expiring and your Plan of Action (POA) activating. Typically, I email a proprietary form to an extremely reliable point person and a back-up EXACTLY the details of my plan including: regions, locations, risks, all pertinent equipment I'm carrying including medical and self-rescue, milestones anticipated (times/destinations), methods/means/frequency of interim communications and updates, and most likely exit strategy if/when the shit hits the fan. I file this same plan with local authorities such as Coast Guard, foreign military officials, etc. (at least when it might help more than hurt...think covert). For example, I had a friend solo kayaking in Chilean waters near Patagonia and the Chilean Navy insisted on radio-relaying periodic reports...get this...to his parents! Anyway, this is a lot of information and extreme, so you scale it accordingly. Nonetheless, when you're in trouble, knowing this information is exactly what SARs (search and rescuers) needs (picture of you, description of moto, clothes, gear, medical condition, etc.) to find you. Most importantly, the bottom- line...you never deviate from this plan. The Rule of 24 (hours) is activated when you miss notifying your point or back-up within 24hrs of the plan's expiration. It is the responsiblity of your point person unconditionally to never second- guess anything and activate your POA and start notifying proper authorities. Don't give them any excuse or reason for delay...they just DO IT! This is why on your form, you always provide ALL necessary SAR contact names and telephone numbers for local sheriff, Fish and Game, USFS, embassy, SOS group, etc. on the form. It's critical to have worked-out all the contact details BEFORE help is needed. Just figuring out this information can take precious hours or even days. In addition to basic survival gear, don't feel stupid carring smoke signals, flares and other appropriate gear. I always carry a highly- reflective space blanket as a helo pilot always ask to confirm your position. In the artic, I've carried marine flares for rescue as well as an anti-bear device. You have to think unconventionly when you're in contemplating unconvential situations. If you still need more info or want more dialogue, email me. This topic/response could go on for days...and it's getting late here in China. Brian

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:27:37 -0000 "ocpianoman" > writes: > > If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to > > get > > some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't cut > > it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an > > accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon > > like > > some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR > > riders? > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Ian, > > I'm using a Garmin 76CSx with very good results. > > I don't know of any device that works as a GPS and homing type beacon. > One issue I see with that type of device is being in a position to > activate it if under duress. I'm just guessing here but think a workable > solution is to not enter remote areas alone. Just getting a KLR off a > fallen rider can be a heck of a lot of work. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

[Xegunda]

Look in Google search but I have seen on ADVrider reports where you can rent sat. cell phones. --- Jeff Saline wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:27:37 -0000 "ocpianoman" > > writes: > > If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm > thinking I need to > > get > > some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones > obviously don't cut > > it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously > they double as an > > accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of > homing beacon > > like > > some phones so that rescue teams can use them to > locate MIA KLR > > riders? > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Ian, > > I'm using a Garmin 76CSx with very good results. > > I don't know of any device that works as a GPS and > homing type beacon. > One issue I see with that type of device is being in > a position to > activate it if under duress. I'm just guessing here > but think a workable > solution is to not enter remote areas alone. Just > getting a KLR off a > fallen rider can be a heck of a lot of work. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

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[Doug Pippin]

Mr ocpianoman I use a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx for navigation on both roads and off road. http://tinyurl.com/2cp9fb It's a handheld unit and mounts on the KLR very nicely with RAM mounts. I have a 2 GB microSD card in the unit to load all the maps that I need. I use City Navigator North America 2008 maps for routing on roads. I use TOPO USA 2008 and US TOPO National Parks East and West for off road use. All of these maps reside in the memory card in the GPS unit and I can select which one I want to use. I live in Asheville NC and the National Parks East has most of the areas that we ride in which is nice since you can route on trails with the National Parks maps. When I was in Moab in April I was able to route all the trails that we rose on using National Parks West maps TOPO USA 2008 shows the trails, roads, elevations etc. and covers the whole country but you cannot route on trails with it. You can also search for restaurants, gas stations etc. but I don't use that feature much since we're usually riding in areas where those services don't exist. You can create "tracks" that show where you have been and if your lost you can route yourself back on the track that you've made. I've been very happy with it and would recommend it to anyone wanting a compact GPS unit. That said you can't rely on the GPS unit alone for navigation. You need to have a map or some knowledge of the area as a backup. You may be interested in a Rino 530HCx that will transmit your location to other units and has a FRS/GMRS radio incorporated in the unit. http://tinyurl.com/2xu2mb I have no knowledge in this model so you'd need to do your own research. If you plan on purchasing a Garmin GPS you can find them on many web sites cheaper than purchasing from Garmin. Also check the Garmin web site for rebates. http://tinyurl.com/2c5dr8 If your looking for a personal tracker and distress beacon you may want to look at: http://tinyurl.com/yq9lbv hope this helps. Doug ---------- At 07:37 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:

>Re: Was: speed on a KLR, Now: Which GPS? > Posted by: "ocpianoman" ocpianoman@... ocpianoman > Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:27 pm ((PST)) > >If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to >get some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't >cut it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an >accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon like >some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR riders?

---------- Doug Pippin 828-684-8488 d_pippin_89@... ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Nelson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:09:32AM -0500, Doug Pippin wrote:

> I use a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx for navigation on both roads and off road.

I had a 60CSx that I really enjoyed. Only problems with it for me were that the display is too small for my aging eyes and I sometimes had trouble operating the very small buttons with gloves on. Because I had purchased it from REI, I returned it there for a full refund after owning it for almost a year. REI's member return policy rocks! I ordered a Garmin Zumo 550 which is supposed to be on the big brown truck for delivery today. It has a much larger 3 1/2" diagonal display and is specifically designed for use on motorcycles, with large buttons, completely waterproof, RAM motorcycle mount and automobile mounts both included. Ain't cheap though. If you have good eyes and can operate it with gloves on, the 60CSx is a remarkable little unit. -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 9:18 AM -0800 1/4/08, Michael Nelson wrote:

>If you have good eyes and can operate it with gloves on, the 60CSx is a >remarkable little unit.

I agree. I have it's predecessor, the 60CS, and I love it. The 60 series has better ergonomics than the 76 IMO, and I like the smaller package but same screen size. I have no problems with the buttons and gloves. I also use it in my truck whenever it's not on the bike. If I were to break my 60 CS today, I'd replace it with a 60CSx. Mark

[Ian Francisco]

Thanks for the write-up, Doug. This info is perfect! Thanks Again. - ian ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Pippin To: DSN_KLR650 Yahoo Groups DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Cc: ocpianoman@... Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 6:09:32 AM Subject: Re: Which GPS? Mr ocpianoman I use a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx for navigation on both roads and off road. http://tinyurl.com/2cp9fb It's a handheld unit and mounts on the KLR very nicely with RAM mounts. I have a 2 GB microSD card in the unit to load all the maps that I need. I use City Navigator North America 2008 maps for routing on roads. I use TOPO USA 2008 and US TOPO National Parks East and West for off road use. All of these maps reside in the memory card in the GPS unit and I can select which one I want to use. I live in Asheville NC and the National Parks East has most of the areas that we ride in which is nice since you can route on trails with the National Parks maps. When I was in Moab in April I was able to route all the trails that we rose on using National Parks West maps TOPO USA 2008 shows the trails, roads, elevations etc. and covers the whole country but you cannot route on trails with it. You can also search for restaurants, gas stations etc. but I don't use that feature much since we're usually riding in areas where those services don't exist. You can create "tracks" that show where you have been and if your lost you can route yourself back on the track that you've made. I've been very happy with it and would recommend it to anyone wanting a compact GPS unit. That said you can't rely on the GPS unit alone for navigation. You need to have a map or some knowledge of the area as a backup. You may be interested in a Rino 530HCx that will transmit your location to other units and has a FRS/GMRS radio incorporated in the unit. http://tinyurl.com/2xu2mb I have no knowledge in this model so you'd need to do your own research. If you plan on purchasing a Garmin GPS you can find them on many web sites cheaper than purchasing from Garmin. Also check the Garmin web site for rebates. http://tinyurl.com/2c5dr8 If your looking for a personal tracker and distress beacon you may want to look at: http://tinyurl.com/yq9lbv hope this helps. Doug ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[a14@att.net]

> If I were to break my 60 CS today, I'd replace it with a 60CSx. > > Mark >

Forget about the 60CSx. Check out the Colorado 400t. https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=11022> Walt