lowering links, 4 inches?

[Kerry Stottlemyer]

Eagle mike needs to come up with a new linkage piece that would drop the rear tire but maintian the same mechanical advantage. But in looking at the link that would be a ver expensive part. Kerry

[Mick Moriarty]

I think the only time religion or politics should be mentioned on a forrum like this is if a group of god worshippers, devil worshippers, goat worshippers Hilary Clinton fan club KLR riders or whatever worshippers are going to have a ride together somewhere and are organising or announcing it. That and mention of any upcoming legislation or political action that will inhibit freedom to ride your KLR. Religion and politics are your business and I'm not interested. If I was, I'd be on a God Bothering, Devil Dodging, Bible bashing site. I will fight tooth and nail for your right to worship dog or whatever, but I don't need the details. With a recent involvement in Law Enforcement Intel, it is obvious to me that christianity and Islam use extremely similar recruiting and indocrination practices, as do most other religious bodies and groups. Go for it, but leave us out of it, come and see me when someone stops you worshipping (or not) as you please and I will go into bat for you, but otherwise, leave it out. Thanks. DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: DualSportNews' KLR650 Discussion List Messages In This Digest (18 Messages) 1. NKLR - RE Politics and Religon From: When you are worthy 2.1. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Robert Waters 2.2. Another Big NKLR! From: Alan L Henderson 2.3. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Zachariah Mully 2.4. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Michael Nelson 2.5. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Tengai Mark Van Horn 2.6. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Michael Nelson 2.7. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Dave Tice 2.8. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Alan L Henderson 2.9. Re: Another Big NKLR! From: Kerry Stottlemyer 2.10. Re: Another Big NKLR! From: Ronald Criswell 3. NKLR - Separation of church and motorcycles From: pecos1046 4a. Torsion Spring? From: imfreelandian 4b. Re: Torsion Spring? From: Jeff Saline 5a. Re: NKLR( from the management From: albatrossklr 6a. Re: For sale 2001 KLR650 From: cav_wolverine 7a. Lowering links, 4 inches? From: davidfallon441 7b. Re: Lowering links, 4 inches? From: trekbikeboy View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. NKLR - RE Politics and Religon Posted by: "When you are worthy" dualsportnut@... dualsportnut Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:20 am (PST) #1 My religon is KLR worship! V O #2 VOTE KLR for president T E If you do there will be peace on earth and good will toward bikers. All roads will inc. hills, mud,rocks,sand,watter and K killer curves. Also all roads will only be 4' wide to L eliminate the members of D.U.M.B. R !! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2.1. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Robert Waters" robertwaters@... robertwaters Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:07 am (PST) Hello Kerry, This is definitely off tipic, but evidently allowed if NKLR is used in the subject. I just could not let what you say go without respoinding. You wrote:

> How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the

world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population of a given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want too. that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of the wars in history, Just do some research. > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net that are available. Robert Waters TotalHealth.bz Focus On Truth --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.2. Another Big NKLR! Posted by: "Alan L Henderson" hortonhearsawho@... alhendersonusa Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:26 am (PST) This is only YOUR truth! It is only valid for you. This topic may not specifically be against the list rules but this conversation belongs in between you and your god. In general politics and religion are very touchy subjects and cause great problems on a list such as ours. Alan Henderson - who has only his opinion and doesn't speak for the owner or moderator of this list. Robert Waters wrote:

> Hello Kerry, > > This is definitely off tipic, but evidently allowed if NKLR is used > in the subject. I just could not let what you say go without > respoinding. You wrote: > >> How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the >> > world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population > of a given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want > too. that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of > the wars in history, Just do some research. > > > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that > there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every > individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true > religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal > wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the > minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an > overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals > God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is > translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net > that are available. > > Robert Waters

Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.3. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Zachariah Mully" zmully@... mackzully Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:38 am (PST) On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 08:07 -0800, Robert Waters wrote:

> Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that > there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every > individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true > religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal > wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the > minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an > overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals > God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is > translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net > that are available.

Holy jeebus, would you bible thumpers please just go out and ride? I don't want hear any more about the "one true god", the "true and accurate bible". Maybe the "one true cylinder" or the "one true stoichiometric ratio" would be worth talking about, but not this crap. If you really think that you follow the bible and that the bible is wholly and infallibly accurate and true, then I'd recommend reading "The Year of Living Biblically" by AJ Jacobs. The bible is book and inaccurate at best and farcical at worst. Z Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.4. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Michael Nelson" michaelnel@... michaelnyh30 Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:58 am (PST) On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:38:45AM -0500, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> The bible is book and inaccurate at best and farcical at worst.

... written by a bunch of ignorant, superstitious old sand rats. -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.5. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" tengai650@... elevengai Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:43 am (PST) At 8:58 AM -0800 12/13/07, Michael Nelson wrote:

>... written by a bunch of ignorant, superstitious old sand rats. >

Alright, let's not get childishly offensive here. Mark (not a Bible thumper in the least, but despises arrogance against religion) http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.6. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Michael Nelson" michaelnel@... michaelnyh30 Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:48 am (PST) On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:43:12PM -0500, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> Mark (not a Bible thumper in the least, but despises arrogance > against religion) > http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com>

Don't much care what you like or don't like, Mark! -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.7. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Dave Tice" david-tice@... flattrack9t Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:56 am (PST) I say "Wide open till ya see god then throw it sideways". As a newbie to the group I have found alot of good advise and even better conversation. I only get religous when when I am on the start line of a 1/2 mile flattrack. Keep it lite guys. We are all in this for the same reason. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or what ever. lol Cheers, Dave T. 1996 Greenie Templeton, Ca. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Nelson wrote:

> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:38:45AM -0500, Zachariah Mully wrote: > > > The bible is book and inaccurate at best and farcical at worst. > > ... written by a bunch of ignorant, superstitious old sand rats. > > -- > "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that

bother me, it

> is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain > > San Francisco, CA >

Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.8. Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Alan L Henderson" hortonhearsawho@... alhendersonusa Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:09 am (PST) GREAT JUMPING JESUS! Now look what you've started. AlA13Ia - who generally votes for tolerance. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.9. Re: Another Big NKLR! Posted by: "Kerry Stottlemyer" kcstott00@... kcstott Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:39 pm (PST) --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Alan L Henderson wrote:

> > This is only YOUR truth! It is only valid for you.

Again this is what I mean. It ain't my truth it ain't my belief. and as soon as say that all hell breaks loose

> This topic may not > specifically be against the list rules but this conversation belongs in > between you and your god. In general politics and religion are very > touchy subjects and cause great problems on a list such as ours.

And when you try to have a logical intelligent conversation people take it personally. Just be glad we live in a country that allows us to have this conversation (no mater how pissed off we get at each other) without being tried for crimes against the state. They have hung people for such statements both pro and against religion. Hell the Germans wanted to kill anything that was not Catholic and the Chinese wanted to kill anyone that believed in any religion. And with that I believe I'll have another beer. Kerry Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 2.10. Re: Another Big NKLR! Posted by: "Ronald Criswell" roncriswell@... jw1800nutty Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:53 pm (PST) Dit frigging O! Criswell (beautiful response - God forbid if we all agree - unless it is me of course)

On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Kerry Stottlemyer wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Alan L Henderson > wrote: > > > > This is only YOUR truth! It is only valid for you. > Again this is what I mean. It ain't my truth it ain't my belief. > and as soon as say that all hell > breaks loose > > > This topic may not > > specifically be against the list rules but this conversation > belongs in > > between you and your god. In general politics and religion are very > > touchy subjects and cause great problems on a list such as ours. > > And when you try to have a logical intelligent conversation people > take it personally. > > Just be glad we live in a country that allows us to have this > conversation (no mater how > pissed off we get at each other) without being tried for crimes > against the state. They have > hung people for such statements both pro and against religion. Hell > the Germans wanted to > kill anything that was not Catholic and the Chinese wanted to kill > anyone that believed in any > religion. > And with that I believe I'll have another beer. > Kerry > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (51) 3. NKLR - Separation of church and motorcycles Posted by: "pecos1046" pecos1046@... pecos1046 Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:46 am (PST) I am a proponent of separating motorcycles from church, religion.etc. But since this is probably not very likely to happen any time soon. Therefore, I can only hope that we keep the discussions civil and positive. I can't help commenting that in the past I have seen many comments that reflects peoples personal religious beliefs without much reaction that this may not be appropriate for a KLR discussion group. Given that, I think that comments from people that belief otherwise are fair game. Cheers, Peter Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. Torsion Spring? Posted by: "imfreelandian" gerryp@... imfreelandian Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:15 pm (PST) I'm new to KLR 650s, just got a really nice '04. I've got a doohickey on the way from Arrowhead, but now I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to also install a torsion spring instead of the one that comes with the kit. Opinions? Thanks, Gerry Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 4b. Re: Torsion Spring? Posted by: "Jeff Saline" salinej1@... jeffsaline Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:04 pm (PST) On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:15:02 -0000 "imfreelandian" writes: > I'm new to KLR 650s, just got a really nice '04. I've got a > doohickey > on the way from Arrowhead, but now I'm wondering if it would be > worthwhile to also install a torsion spring instead of the one that > comes with the kit. Opinions? > Thanks, Gerry <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Gerry, Welcome to the list and KLR ownership. I say put in the torsion spring. I've done a few doohickeys with extension springs and redid one with a torsion spring and have installed a few with torsion springs from the start. Next time I go into my KLR I'm putting in a torsion spring. It's been on the shelf for about 6-8 months now. At about 15,000 miles I went in to check on the tension on the extension spring which came with the doohickey. It was almost out of tension. I replaced it then with the shorter spring. If the torsion spring was available then I would have saved myself one trip into the engine. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 5a. Re: NKLR( from the management Posted by: "albatrossklr" terry.hamrick@... albatrossklr Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:12 pm (PST) Everyone please keep safe and well over whatever holidays you celebrate. And lets not give the Rev a reason to pick us up in his helo or be called to say any words over that which remains. albatross if i left today, which experience would i speak of with my last breath? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hotfoot777" wrote: > > > > From this point forward there will be no refernce's of politics or > > religon in the NKLR Discussion Area. Hey its the holidays i can dream > > cant i? > > > Excellent point! Comrade! > The Holidays. hmmm. Now, what holiday would that be? yawn. > Would it be the "have my cake and eat it 2 holiday?" snort. > no? > I didn't think so. > Request--denied. > smile. > ahhh, Merry Christmas, beloved KileRista, Merry Christmas. > Here's to hoping that you keep the oily side down and the bug side up > during the next year! > > I will be working in the 'heavens' ie ~500/1500ft AGL and available on > request for select single track, gravel road, and multi-lane road work > this week; NVG equipped, available on request daily at 1900. I hope I > don't see you in an 'offical capacity' during the next week. The wx > report favors the bold.... > revmaaatin. > 911 Aberdeen, SD. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 6a. Re: For sale 2001 KLR650 Posted by: "cav_wolverine" charles.vogel@... cav_wolverine Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:32 pm (PST) still for sale, $2500 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "michaelroy8" wrote: > > located in Huntersville, NC. 6000 miles, good condition, 2nd owner, > garaged, ridden mostly on-road, email charles.vogel at gmail ... and I can send you some pictures. > thanks, charles Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7a. Lowering links, 4 inches? Posted by: "davidfallon441" davidinwa@... davidfallon441 Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:01 pm (PST) Hi all; I need a little advise. A fellow at work is interested in buying my KLR, but he feels it is too tall. He being a machinist, we worked out some new lowering links. Well, the math went awry and the bike is 4 inches lower. We were shooting for 3 inches. Is this too much? Any clearance issues at that or other lowered distances? How much can I lower the front end for him if I slide the tubes up in the triple trees? Thanks. I hope that doing without my KLR is short temporary thing. David Fallon 441 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7b. Re: Lowering links, 4 inches? Posted by: "trekbikeboy" trek_bike_boy@... trek_bike_boy Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:33 pm (PST) David I am sure that your friend will have problems with wheel/tyre clearance with a 4" lowering. Others may chime in shortly but I'm pretty sure the tyre will hit the underside of the rear guard and also the pegs will scrape very early in any leaning. Cheers Griffo -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidfallon441 Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 12:02 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Lowering links, 4 inches? Hi all; I need a little advise. A fellow at work is interested in buying my KLR, but he feels it is too tall. He being a machinist, we worked out some new lowering links. Well, the math went awry and the bike is 4 inches lower. We were shooting for 3 inches. Is this too much? Any clearance issues at that or other lowered distances? How much can I lower the front end for him if I slide the tubes up in the triple trees? Thanks. I hope that doing without my KLR is short temporary thing. David Fallon 441 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity 15 New Members Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Real Food Group on Yahoo! Groups What does real food mean to you? Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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[Peter Six]

You are correct. But this platform must be balanced. If the administrators allow the pros they must allow the cons.

On 12/14/07 4:04 PM, "Mick Moriarty" wrote: > > > > > I think the only time religion or politics should be mentioned on a forrum > like this is if a group of god worshippers, devil worshippers, goat > worshippers Hilary Clinton fan club KLR riders or whatever worshippers are > going to have a ride together somewhere and are organising or announcing it. > That and mention of any upcoming legislation or political action that will > inhibit freedom to ride your KLR. Religion and politics are your business and > I'm not interested. If I was, I'd be on a God Bothering, Devil Dodging, Bible > bashing site. I will fight tooth and nail for your right to worship dog or > whatever, but I don't need the details. > > With a recent involvement in Law Enforcement Intel, it is obvious to me that > christianity and Islam use extremely similar recruiting and indocrination > practices, as do most other religious bodies and groups. > > Go for it, but leave us out of it, come and see me when someone stops you > worshipping (or not) as you please and I will go into bat for you, but > otherwise, leave it out. > Thanks. > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > DualSportNews' KLR650 Discussion List > Messages In This Digest (18 Messages) > 1. > NKLR - RE Politics and Religon From: When you are worthy > 2.1. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Robert Waters > 2.2. > Another Big NKLR! From: Alan L Henderson > 2.3. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Zachariah Mully > 2.4. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Michael Nelson > 2.5. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Tengai Mark Van Horn > 2.6. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Michael Nelson > 2.7. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Dave Tice > 2.8. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy From: Alan L Henderson > 2.9. > Re: Another Big NKLR! From: Kerry Stottlemyer > 2.10. > Re: Another Big NKLR! From: Ronald Criswell > 3. > NKLR - Separation of church and motorcycles From: pecos1046 > 4a. > Torsion Spring? From: imfreelandian > 4b. > Re: Torsion Spring? From: Jeff Saline > 5a. > Re: NKLR( from the management From: albatrossklr > 6a. > Re: For sale 2001 KLR650 From: cav_wolverine > 7a. > Lowering links, 4 inches? From: davidfallon441 > 7b. > Re: Lowering links, 4 inches? From: trekbikeboy > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1. > NKLR - RE Politics and Religon Posted by: "When you are worthy" > dualsportnut@... dualsportnut Thu > Dec 13, 2007 5:20 am (PST) #1 My religon is KLR worship! V > O > #2 VOTE KLR for president T > E > If you do there will be peace on earth and good will toward > bikers. All roads will inc. hills, mud,rocks,sand,watter and K > killer curves. Also all roads will only be 4' wide to L > eliminate the members of D.U.M.B. R > !! > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 2.1. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Robert > Waters" robertwaters@... > robertwaters Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:07 am (PST) Hello Kerry, > > This is definitely off tipic, but evidently allowed if NKLR is used in the > subject. I just could not let what you say go without respoinding. You wrote: > >> > How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the > world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population of a > given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want too. > that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of the > wars in history, Just do some research. > > > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that there is > false religion and true religion. It is up to every individual to learn the > truth. It is my opinion that the true religion is Christianity. Christianity > is not responsible for carnal wars. However, Christians are in a war but the > battles are for the minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There > is an overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals > God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is translated > properly. And there are many free resources on the Net that are available. > > Robert Waters > > TotalHealth.bz > Focus On Truth > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (51) > > 2.2. > Another Big NKLR! Posted by: "Alan L Henderson" hortonhearsawho@... > alhendersonusa Thu Dec 13, 2007 > 8:26 am (PST) This is only YOUR truth! It is only valid for you. This topic > may not > specifically be against the list rules but this conversation belongs in > between you and your god. In general politics and religion are very > touchy subjects and cause great problems on a list such as ours. > Alan Henderson - who has only his opinion and doesn't speak for > the owner or moderator of this list. > > Robert Waters wrote: >> > Hello Kerry, >> > >> > This is definitely off tipic, but evidently allowed if NKLR is used >> > in the subject. I just could not let what you say go without >> > respoinding. You wrote: >> > >>> >> How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the >>> >> >> > world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population >> > of a given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want >> > too. that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of >> > the wars in history, Just do some research. > >> > >> > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that >> > there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every >> > individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true >> > religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal >> > wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the >> > minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an >> > overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals >> > God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is >> > translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net >> > that are available. >> > >> > Robert Waters > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (51) > > 2.3. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Zachariah > Mully" zmully@... mackzully > Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:38 am (PST) On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 08:07 -0800, Robert > Waters wrote: > >> > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that >> > there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every >> > individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true >> > religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal >> > wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the >> > minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an >> > overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals >> > God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is >> > translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net >> > that are available. > > Holy jeebus, would you bible thumpers please just go out and ride? I > don't want hear any more about the "one true god", the "true and > accurate bible". Maybe the "one true cylinder" or the "one true > stoichiometric ratio" would be worth talking about, but not this crap. > > If you really think that you follow the bible and that the bible is > wholly and infallibly accurate and true, then I'd recommend reading "The > Year of Living Biblically" by AJ Jacobs. The bible is book and > inaccurate at best and farcical at worst. > > Z > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (51) > > 2.4. > Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Posted by: "Michael > Nelson" michaelnel@... > michaelnyh30 Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:58 am (PST) On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at > 11:38:45AM -0500, Zachariah Mully wrote: > >> > The bible is book and inaccurate at best and farcical at worst. > > ... written by a bunch of ignorant, superstitious old sand rats. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]