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Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:24 pm**

The recent thread about carrying a gun in national parks got me thinking. I just want to throw out who I am first then go from there. I am currently employed as a police officer in a fairly large municipality (In other words, not a Barney Fife). I was in the Army as a military police officer for about nine years of which I spent most of my time in the 82nd ABN and the Big Red One. I am a lifetime member of the NRA. I was raised around guns, taught how to use and respect guns, and can't remember a time in my life where I lived in a building that did not contain guns. To sum all that up, I am very comfortable around loaded weapons and very accustomed to using them in a variety of situations. I am not happy with the current state of affairs in our nation regarding gun rights and who they are extended to. I am blessed that I am able to carry a gun with me in almost all situations and places. I think that the same rights should be extended to all law abiding citizens in our nation. People often ask me how I deal with people who may or may not be armed in my job duties. Easy: I assume that all are armed in one way or another and would do me harm if the situation presented itself. I would encourage all citizens to educate themselves on gun usage, laws, and especially concealed carry rights. Here are some facts: Our world is getting more dangerous. There are people out there who would harm you and not shed a tear about it. You currently have some rights extended to you that allow you to protect yourself and others. Short story and then I will close: Our community was recently hit with major ice storms that left thousands without electricity and heat for several days. The poorer, older neighborhoods were hardest hit. I spent most of my on-duty time (third shift) walking the neighborhoods trying to protect homes without power and their occupants. I had several people approach and challenge me in the dark with shotguns, rifles, or pistols in their attempt to protect their property and the property of their neighbors. I did not get shot and I appreciated every one of these people because they were doing what Americans do best: Stepping up and taking care of business. God Bless each and every one of them. Our city did not have any widespread looting or burglaries and there were NO REPORTED STORM RELATED DEATHS. I call that a success story. What is my point? Carry a gun if you are comfortable doing so. Be ready to use it or leave it at home. Educate yourself on what the rules and laws are. If you don't like the rules/laws, VOTE!!! And, if I am in a bad situation and need your help I hope you are well prepared!! If I have offended anyone, I don't care. If I have broken the group rules, kick me off! I sleep well at night because I know I have the ability and tools to take care of myself and the ones I love. That my friends, is the true definition of freedom.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:09 am**

Well said it's good to hear that a sworn piece officer believes in our rights. here in California our Police offices association is bought and sold buy the anti gun crowd. The last such incident was the ban on 50 BMG rifles and not just the semi auto ones either it was all of them bolt actions too. There was even a TV commercial with a spokesperson saying they need to take these guns away from the criminals that use them. Now Here's the funny thing. It doesn't take much research to find out that not one 50 bmg rifle was ever used in a crime in california and if it wasn't for Waco it would be nation wide. Besides when was the last time you seen a gang banger doing a drive by with forty five pound nearly five foot long and at $3 a shot. Umm something sounds fishy VOTE yes and don't let people spread lies about who and how guns are used. Too many sheep not enough shepherds Kerry

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Roeder" wrote: > > The recent thread about carrying a gun in national parks got me > thinking. I just want to throw out who I am first then go from > there. I am currently employed as a police officer in a fairly large > municipality (In other words, not a Barney Fife). I was in the Army > as a military police officer for about nine years of which I spent > most of my time in the 82nd ABN and the Big Red One. I am a lifetime > member of the NRA. I was raised around guns, taught how to use and > respect guns, and can't remember a time in my life where I lived in a > building that did not contain guns. To sum all that up, I am very > comfortable around loaded weapons and very accustomed to using them > in a variety of situations. > I am not happy with the current state of affairs in our nation > regarding gun rights and who they are extended to. I am blessed that > I am able to carry a gun with me in almost all situations and > places. I think that the same rights should be extended to all law > abiding citizens in our nation. People often ask me how I deal with > people who may or may not be armed in my job duties. Easy: I assume > that all are armed in one way or another and would do me harm if the > situation presented itself. I would encourage all citizens to > educate themselves on gun usage, laws, and especially concealed carry > rights. Here are some facts: Our world is getting more dangerous. > There are people out there who would harm you and not shed a tear > about it. You currently have some rights extended to you that allow > you to protect yourself and others. > Short story and then I will close: Our community was recently hit > with major ice storms that left thousands without electricity and > heat for several days. The poorer, older neighborhoods were hardest > hit. I spent most of my on-duty time (third shift) walking the > neighborhoods trying to protect homes without power and their > occupants. I had several people approach and challenge me in the > dark with shotguns, rifles, or pistols in their attempt to protect > their property and the property of their neighbors. I did not get > shot and I appreciated every one of these people because they were > doing what Americans do best: Stepping up and taking care of > business. God Bless each and every one of them. Our city did not > have any widespread looting or burglaries and there were NO REPORTED > STORM RELATED DEATHS. I call that a success story. > What is my point? > Carry a gun if you are comfortable doing so. Be ready to use it or > leave it at home. Educate yourself on what the rules and laws are. > If you don't like the rules/laws, VOTE!!! And, if I am in a bad > situation and need your help I hope you are well prepared!! > If I have offended anyone, I don't care. If I have broken the group > rules, kick me off! I sleep well at night because I know I have the > ability and tools to take care of myself and the ones I love. That > my friends, is the true definition of freedom. >

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:32 am**

You know, folks, that in Canada until a very few years ago, pistols and automatic weapons were licensed, (with automatic weapons I believe you needed a collectors licence), but normal hunting rifles/shotguns were largely uncontrolled. Over a short period, the anti-gun crowd , helped by a couple of lunatic incidents, managed to get all their ducks in a row, and now everything is licensed, and supposedly controlled. Of course our criminal element have little problem with the law, they just ignore it, as ever. The proponents of this nonsense got one of our governing genii to come up with a dollar figure on the costs of this operation. Total cost to register everything was pegged at 2 million dollars. At last count the actual cost was in excess of 1 billion dollars and climbing. Crime stats have shown little change. Our current government promised to remove the registration of long guns from the law, which got them a lot of Western votes. So far they have not moved on this issue, and probably won't. George W Harper may lose a lot of votes from his original stomping grounds over this, but that doesn't change much. It can happen to you unless you are aware of the anti-gun agenda and do something about it. Just a few random thoughts. DC Kerry Stottlemyer wrote:

>Well said >it's good to hear that a sworn piece officer believes in our rights. >here in California our Police offices association is bought and sold buy the anti gun crowd. >The last such incident was the ban on 50 BMG rifles and not just the semi auto ones either >it was all of them bolt actions too. There was even a TV commercial with a spokesperson >saying they need to take these guns away from the criminals that use them. Now Here's >the funny thing. It doesn't take much research to find out that not one 50 bmg rifle was >ever used in a crime in california and if it wasn't for Waco it would be nation wide. Besides > > > > >

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:19 pm**

Greg-- Do you mind questions? (1) Is it your impression that your peers are more, less, or equally of your opinion? (2) Is it your impression that police leadership is more, less sor equally of your opinion? I was a public defender for 13 years, and the cops I knew mostly agreed with me (and you) about gun rights (OK, I'm a leftist gun rights advocate, so sue me-- just don't shoot me). But anti-gun groups seem to be able to get more highly placed cops to support them. Is that your impression? Thanks- James --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Roeder" wrote:

> > The recent thread about carrying a gun in national parks got me > thinking. I just want to throw out who I am first then go from > there. I am currently employed as a police officer in a fairly large > municipality (In other words, not a Barney Fife). I was in the Army > as a military police officer for about nine years of which I spent > most of my time in the 82nd ABN and the Big Red One. I am a lifetime > member of the NRA. I was raised around guns, taught how to use and > respect guns, and can't remember a time in my life where I lived in a > building that did not contain guns. To sum all that up, I am very > comfortable around loaded weapons and very accustomed to using them > in a variety of situations. > I am not happy with the current state of affairs in our nation > regarding gun rights and who they are extended to. I am blessed that > I am able to carry a gun with me in almost all situations and > places. I think that the same rights should be extended to all law > abiding citizens in our nation. People often ask me how I deal with > people who may or may not be armed in my job duties. Easy: I assume > that all are armed in one way or another and would do me harm if the > situation presented itself. I would encourage all citizens to > educate themselves on gun usage, laws, and especially concealed carry > rights. Here are some facts: Our world is getting more dangerous. > There are people out there who would harm you and not shed a tear > about it. You currently have some rights extended to you that allow > you to protect yourself and others. > Short story and then I will close: Our community was recently hit > with major ice storms that left thousands without electricity and > heat for several days. The poorer, older neighborhoods were hardest > hit. I spent most of my on-duty time (third shift) walking the > neighborhoods trying to protect homes without power and their > occupants. I had several people approach and challenge me in the > dark with shotguns, rifles, or pistols in their attempt to protect > their property and the property of their neighbors. I did not get > shot and I appreciated every one of these people because they were > doing what Americans do best: Stepping up and taking care of > business. God Bless each and every one of them. Our city did not > have any widespread looting or burglaries and there were NO REPORTED > STORM RELATED DEATHS. I call that a success story. > What is my point? > Carry a gun if you are comfortable doing so. Be ready to use it or > leave it at home. Educate yourself on what the rules and laws are. > If you don't like the rules/laws, VOTE!!! And, if I am in a bad > situation and need your help I hope you are well prepared!! > If I have offended anyone, I don't care. If I have broken the group > rules, kick me off! I sleep well at night because I know I have the > ability and tools to take care of myself and the ones I love. That > my friends, is the true definition of freedom. >

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:50 pm**

I don't mind questions at all see answers below. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "James Flower" wrote:

> > Greg-- > Do you mind questions? > (1) Is it your impression that your peers are more, less, or

equally

> of your opinion?

I define peers as the officers I am proud to serve with and yes they share my opinion. If they share my opinion they don't need to back me up. An ignorant cop is a dangerous cop.

> (2) Is it your impression that police leadership is more, less

sor

> equally of your opinion?

The motivations of command staff and "brass" continually confuse and annoy me. Generational gap? Political correctness? Who knows but the large majority of the troops on the street support and encourage gun rights.

> I was a public defender for 13 years, and the cops I knew

mostly

> agreed with me (and you) about gun rights (OK, I'm a leftist gun > rights advocate, so sue me-- just don't shoot me). But anti-gun > groups seem to be able to get more highly placed cops to support

them.

> Is that your impression?

Bottom line here is any group with enough money can hire anybody to say anything. I see an anti-gun cop as a liability to my career. Just glad I don't have to work with many of them.

> Thanks- James > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Roeder" > wrote: > > > > The recent thread about carrying a gun in national parks got me > > thinking. I just want to throw out who I am first then go from > > there. I am currently employed as a police officer in a fairly

large

> > municipality (In other words, not a Barney Fife). I was in the

Army

> > as a military police officer for about nine years of which I

spent

> > most of my time in the 82nd ABN and the Big Red One. I am a

lifetime

> > member of the NRA. I was raised around guns, taught how to use

and

> > respect guns, and can't remember a time in my life where I lived

in a

> > building that did not contain guns. To sum all that up, I am

very

> > comfortable around loaded weapons and very accustomed to using

them

> > in a variety of situations. > > I am not happy with the current state of affairs in our nation > > regarding gun rights and who they are extended to. I am blessed

that

> > I am able to carry a gun with me in almost all situations and > > places. I think that the same rights should be extended to all

law

> > abiding citizens in our nation. People often ask me how I deal

with

> > people who may or may not be armed in my job duties. Easy: I

assume

> > that all are armed in one way or another and would do me harm if

the

> > situation presented itself. I would encourage all citizens to > > educate themselves on gun usage, laws, and especially concealed

carry

> > rights. Here are some facts: Our world is getting more

dangerous.

> > There are people out there who would harm you and not shed a tear > > about it. You currently have some rights extended to you that

allow

> > you to protect yourself and others. > > Short story and then I will close: Our community was recently

hit

> > with major ice storms that left thousands without electricity and > > heat for several days. The poorer, older neighborhoods were

hardest

> > hit. I spent most of my on-duty time (third shift) walking the > > neighborhoods trying to protect homes without power and their > > occupants. I had several people approach and challenge me in the > > dark with shotguns, rifles, or pistols in their attempt to

protect

> > their property and the property of their neighbors. I did not

get

> > shot and I appreciated every one of these people because they

were

> > doing what Americans do best: Stepping up and taking care of > > business. God Bless each and every one of them. Our city did

not

> > have any widespread looting or burglaries and there were NO

REPORTED

> > STORM RELATED DEATHS. I call that a success story. > > What is my point? > > Carry a gun if you are comfortable doing so. Be ready to use it

or

> > leave it at home. Educate yourself on what the rules and laws

are.

> > If you don't like the rules/laws, VOTE!!! And, if I am in a bad > > situation and need your help I hope you are well prepared!! > > If I have offended anyone, I don't care. If I have broken the

group

> > rules, kick me off! I sleep well at night because I know I have

the

> > ability and tools to take care of myself and the ones I love.

That

> > my friends, is the true definition of freedom. > > >

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:20 pm**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Roeder" wrote:

> > I don't mind questions at all see answers below. > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "James Flower" > wrote: > > > > Greg-- > > Do you mind questions? > > (1) Is it your impression that your peers are more, less, or > equally > > of your opinion? > I define peers as the officers I am proud to serve with and yes

they

> share my opinion. If they share my opinion they don't need to back > me up. An ignorant cop is a dangerous cop. > > (2) Is it your impression that police leadership is more,

less

> sor > > equally of your opinion? > The motivations of command staff and "brass" continually confuse

and

> annoy me. Generational gap? Political correctness? Who knows but > the large majority of the troops on the street support and

encourage

> gun rights. > > I was a public defender for 13 years, and the cops I knew > mostly > > agreed with me (and you) about gun rights (OK, I'm a leftist gun > > rights advocate, so sue me-- just don't shoot me). But anti-gun > > groups seem to be able to get more highly placed cops to support > them. > > Is that your impression? > Bottom line here is any group with enough money can hire anybody to > say anything. I see an anti-gun cop as a liability to my career. > Just glad I don't have to work with many of them. > > Thanks- James > >

Greg, If you make a lawful traffic stop, and the offender is a lawful, conceal carry person and has within his reach, a weapon (without intent to use it!) What do you expect the stopped person to say to you as the LEO? Should the citizen remain silent unless asked? My local LEO tell me he now asks, "Do you have anything that can hurt me?" If I have my conceal carry weapon close by, would you like to see me put it on the dash, etc? Hand you the conceal carry permit with the drivers license? Your comments would be helpful. revmaaatin.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:11 pm**

Rev, I am licensed to carry concealed in my state, and under the circumstance you describe (normal traffic stop), anyone legally carrying concealed must declare to the LEO that they are licensed and armed. They are not to reveal the handgun unless directed to do so by the LEO. If they are licensed but NOT carrying, they are under no requirement to mention their license to the LEO. If a citizen is legally carrying concealed and they happen upon a LEO in a casual circumstance, there is no need to announce, but if an officer is asking for identification in the course of their law enforcement duties then carrying citizens must advise the officer of the handgun's presence. In the training for our concealed carry the instructors emphatically state that it is a baaad idea to whip out a handgun unannounced in the presence of a LEO - seems they get a little skittish about that sort of thing.

The attitude of the LEOs in my state (and other states from what I read), is that under normal circumstances when an citizen announces he is carrying concealed, it eases some of the normal 'apprehension of the unknown' from the LEO, as they're aware the type of citizen who is licensed to carry is usually a model citizen with zero criminal or mental record, has passed background checks, and is typically law-enforcement friendly. Not to say the LEOs become complacent, but from what I understand they feel they have a better 'take' on the category of person they're dealing with. Steve in Norman, OK Packin' the card, and on occasion, the heat. ---------------- Greg, If you make a lawful traffic stop, and the offender is a lawful, conceal carry person and has within his reach, a weapon (without intent to use it!) What do you expect the stopped person to say to you as the LEO? Should the citizen remain silent unless asked? My local LEO tell me he now asks, "Do you have anything that can hurt me?" If I have my conceal carry weapon close by, would you like to see me put it on the dash, etc? Hand you the conceal carry permit with the drivers license? Your comments would be helpful. revmaaatin.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:30 pm**

Here in Washington state, as a CPL licensed citizen, we are not required to inform a law enforcement officer that we are in possession of a concealed weapon unless he or she asks. I do out of respect for the officer. I have been pulled over twice in the last year and after the greetings, I have informed the officer that I am a CPL holder and I do have a concealed firearm and told them where it was. In both instances, the officers didn't ask for my CPL and asked me to keep my hand from that area. I believe as law abiding citizens, we should inform LEO's for our protection and theirs. OK, so I wasn't so law abiding not to get pulled over, but that's another story. No citation was issued to me in either instance.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Roeder" > wrote: > > > > I don't mind questions at all see answers below. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "James Flower" > > wrote: > > > > > > Greg-- > > > Do you mind questions? > > > (1) Is it your impression that your peers are more, less, or > > equally > > > of your opinion? > > I define peers as the officers I am proud to serve with and yes > they > > share my opinion. If they share my opinion they don't need to back > > me up. An ignorant cop is a dangerous cop. > > > (2) Is it your impression that police leadership is more, > less > > sor > > > equally of your opinion? > > The motivations of command staff and "brass" continually confuse > and > > annoy me. Generational gap? Political correctness? Who knows but > > the large majority of the troops on the street support and > encourage > > gun rights. > > > I was a public defender for 13 years, and the cops I knew > > mostly > > > agreed with me (and you) about gun rights (OK, I'm a leftist gun > > > rights advocate, so sue me-- just don't shoot me). But anti-gun > > > groups seem to be able to get more highly placed cops to support > > them. > > > Is that your impression? > > Bottom line here is any group with enough money can hire anybody to > > say anything. I see an anti-gun cop as a liability to my career. > > Just glad I don't have to work with many of them. > > > Thanks- James > > > > > > Greg, > If you make a lawful traffic stop, and the offender is a lawful, > conceal carry person and has within his reach, a weapon (without > intent to use it!) What do you expect the stopped person to say to > you as the LEO? > > Should the citizen remain silent unless asked? My local LEO tell me > he now asks, "Do you have anything that can hurt me?" > > If I have my conceal carry weapon close by, would you like to see me > put it on the dash, etc? Hand you the conceal carry permit with the > drivers license? Your comments would be helpful. > > revmaaatin. >

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:27 pm**

On Feb 25, 2007, at 11:06 AM, paladin_1176 wrote:

> I've read a bunch of stuff about bike lifts and I am looking at > getting > the Craftsman 1500 Lb one for about 80 bucks. Has anybody got it, and > if so have you had any luck changing the oil on the lift?

I got one several years ago and have been quite happy with it, per my recent post.

I don't change the oil while the bike is on the lift, though. The oil drain plug is on the left-hand side so that more oil drains out when the bike is on the sidestand. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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