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I was bothered by Blake's injury and needed to know more about tire traps. The web site below has some good information for anyone who does not have a good working knowledge of this phenomenon. http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135 Capt. Bob in CT. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Railroad tracks are a great example. The wet one's are really bad. Tim.............

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "usa1911a1" wrote: > > I was bothered by Blake's injury and needed to know more about tire traps. The web site below has some good information for anyone who does not have a good working knowledge of this phenomenon. > > http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135 > > > Capt. Bob in CT. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:09:00 -0400 "usa1911a1" writes:

> I was bothered by Blake's injury and needed to know more about tire > traps. The web site below has some good information for anyone who > does not have a good working knowledge of this phenomenon. > > http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135 > > > Capt. Bob in CT.

<><><><><> <><><><><> Capt. Bob, Thanks for sharing that safety tip. Seems like I already knew it but it was a good refresher. In 1979 I rode over a 2" angle iron about 5 feet long doing maybe 50 mph. Stuff I learned about riding over objects sure saved me and my passenger. After the jolt she asked what that was all about. I was lucky it was only at a slight angle and the open portion was facing me. My front tire flipped it and the rear had to ride over the edge. I was talking with a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Instructor (ride coach or whatever) on Sunday. He said he had an experienced riders course coming up with 23 open slots and couldn't get it filled. I told him I take it for free every couple of years. He commented on how he'd like to take it with each of his bikes just for the experience of doing the skills portion on each bike. Then he commented on how all the folks at the riding club meeting could probably teach the course. I told him how I've learned something at every course I've taken since my first one in 1979 taught by the Maryland State Motormen (Highway Patrol). Refreshers are always good. Thanks again and best, Jeff Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Thank Capt. Bob. I experiened this: It is not so much that you should fear that your front tire will fail to get over the trap, it is that you must be concerned about getting your rear tire over it. What happens if your attack angle is low is that you instinctively turn your front wheel into the trap to get over it, so it does, but your rear tire, having a lower attack angle, slides along the trap rather than going over it. This immediately twists your bike into the turn and presents an ever increasing attack angle for that rear tire. At some point (quickly) the attack angle will be sufficient and the rear tire will grab and ride over the obstacle. Unfortunately, while it was sliding along you and your bike turned the front wheel in the direction of the slide. Thus, when that rear tire grabs it is analogous to the classic conditions of a highside. About 2/3s of a second later you will hit the ground. Or go over the side as the case may be. Check out these pixs....... http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06373/crash2.jpg http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06373/crash1.jpg --Jim A-15

> I was bothered by Blake's injury and needed to know more about tire

traps. The web site below has some good information for anyone who does not have a good working knowledge of this phenomenon.

> > http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135 > > > Capt. Bob in CT. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I find that information rather suspect myself. from the website: "A mere one inch of height is sufficient to stop you cold - your bike will fall over before you can turn the wheel. In this particular case you have no choice but to stop completely, lean the bike away from the trap, and walk the bike free. " A one-inch raised edge can bring down a motorcycle? What do all the off-road riders do when confronted with obstacles and edge traps more than one-inch tall? Yes, edge traps can be a problem, but I don't believe they're that severe at one-inch tall, and if you steer with your feet you can get out of them fairly easily. Chris P.S. This is not to disparage Blake, I know how easy it is to get caught. On my TAT ride I managed to fall over in about two inches of water at a ford. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "usa1911a1" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:09:00 -0400

>I was bothered by Blake's injury and needed to know more about tire traps. The web site below has some good information for anyone who does not have a good working knowledge of this phenomenon. > >http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135 > > >Capt. Bob in CT. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Hope this is not frowned on... if so, just let me know. Im a trainable monkey I'm the owner of http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/klrsos/. We are a non-commercial group of KLR riders and our group is mainly focused on the maintenance of a reliable, validated, actively maintained and moderately secured emergency contact listing. I've seen a similar DB on this site... I don't know how useful of well maintained it is...??? If you're willing to have your personal contact information posted in a moderated Yahoo Group, please take a look at KLRSOS and join with our 40+ international riders that are willing to offer emergency assistance to KLR trippers. You guys have a very active and helpfull group here. Thanks for all of your hard work and information! Regards, David