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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Sobiloff"  
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 > OK, the TSA has officially lost its mind.  
 
  
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 Hello Blake and other reading friends.
 
 I love this list and what I learn here about the KLR and other 
 frustrations in general.  For some time, (three-four years) I have been 
 talking privately that we are in WW III, and oddly enough, yesterday 
 and today, the talking heads are saying the same thing.  Then this blog 
 comes across my desk.  
 
 Forgive me if this flows outside of the normal KLR rants, but the free 
 flow of information allows us to make informed decisions.  If there was 
 a link I could send you to, I would (there might be, and I am not smart 
 enough, savvy enough to know how). It will take 4-5 minutes to read 
 rapidly, and deserves more than a glance.
 
 I hope you find it as chilling as I did.  This blogger (collects 
 articles and re-distributes them) is a retired USMC Colonel that 
 teaches safety at Penn State.  His name/address is
 Gregory J. Johnson     gjj1@... 
 and he will put you on his distribution list at your request.  I have 
 been on his list some 4 years now and found it highly helpful as he 
 collects editorials that I would never see otherwise.
 
 Reading the frustrations of 5-6 replies to Blake's original post, we 
 are at a point in time that the things we know and love, will likely be 
 greatly affected in the near future.  I for one am glad I live where I 
 do in South Dakota, even so, realizing from the content of this blog, 
 there is no safe place if there are determined people who want to harm 
 you.
 
 revmaaatin.
 
 
 THE BLOG FOLLOWS: 
 
 National Review Online
 8 August 2006
 
 Hawkish Gloom: Unfortunately you'll be joining me one of these days
 by Stanley Kurtz
 
 Call me a gloomy hawk. It's not just that I'm a hawk who's disappointed 
 with the course of fighting in the Middle East. My concern is that our 
 underlying foreign-policy dilemma calls for both hawkishness and gloom   
 and will for some time. The two worst-case scenarios are world-war 
 abroad and nuclear terror at home. I fear we're on a slow-motion track 
 to both.
 
 No, I don't think our venture in Iraq has gotten us into this mess. I 
 think this mess has gotten us into Iraq. And the mess will not go away, 
 whatever we do. Our Islamist enemy has proven himself implacable   
 unwilling to relent in the face of either dovish or hawkish policies. 
 That means we're facing years   maybe decades   of inconclusive, on/off 
 (mostly on) hot war, unless and until a nuclear terror strike, a major 
 case of nuclear blackmail, or a nuclear clash among Middle Eastern 
 states ushers in a radical new phase.
 
 Castro
 Let's take a moment to think about Castro. Castro is the master and 
 pioneer of ornery third-world defiance. We need to appreciate the 
 immensity of Castro's achievement in preserving Cuba's Communist 
 dictatorship for 17 years after the collapse of his chief patron, the 
 Soviet Union. It's remarkable that, absent any great-power protection, 
 and even after becoming, without Soviet subsidies, a permanent economic 
 basket-case, Castro's regime has not collapsed.
 
 Let that be a lesson to those who wait for the collapse of regimes in 
 Iran, North Korea, or Palestine because of long-term economic failure 
 and/or economic sanctions. Yes, popular uprisings happen (as in Iran 
 against the Shah). Yet it's also clear that a posture of anti-Western 
 defiance, combined with nationalism, ideology, and dictatorial rule is 
 perfectly capable of sustaining a miserable, poverty-stricken, failed 
 system far, far beyond the point that Westerners would consider 
 tolerable or believable.
 
 If you are willing to kill yourself   if you are willing even to 
 impoverish, immiserate, and let die much of your country, you can 
 accomplish a great deal. Hezbollah's gains in its war with Israel stem 
 from its ability to define success as mere survival, even as the 
 country around it is destroyed. This is no mere clever public-relations 
 spin, but the reflection of a profound reality: the growing 
 independence of terrorist organizations from states, and the 
 willingness of Islamist terrorists to sacrifice all in pursuit of 
 fundamentally non-material goals. With military success (accurately) 
 framed as the near-complete destruction of terrorist forces, decisive 
 military victory is virtually defined out of existence.
 
 Democracy?
 This is why the United States has turned to democratization. The stick 
 of military force combined with the carrot of democracy was supposed to 
 have provided a way out. Unfortunately, democratization of 
 fundamentally illiberal societies cannot happen quickly. Real 
 democratization requires a great deal of time and deep, painful, 
 expensive underlying cultural change, almost impossible to bring about 
 without an effectively permanent military occupation.
 
 Even a long-term military occupation cannot promote democratization in 
 the absence of social peace. The Iraqi resistance's greatest victory 
 came with the very start of their campaign. By creating sufficient 
 insecurity to bar Western civilians from Iraq, the real key to 
 democratic change was blocked from the start. If advising an Iraqi 
 bureaucrat, working with an Iraqi entrepreneur, or teaching at an Iraqi 
 college had become career-making occupations for an ambitious 
 generation of young American civilians, we might have had a chance to 
 build genuine democracy in Iraq. Once the rebellion made that sort of 
 cultural exchange impossible, the democratization project was cut off 
 before it could begin.
 
 I've made these points about the problems of democratization since 
 before the invasion of Iraq (See my "After the War" and "Democratic 
 Imperialism.") In those pieces, I even "predicted" the sort of trouble 
 we're seeing now. Yet, despite that gloom, I was, and remain, a hawk. I 
 am hawk because I believe that the danger of nuclear terror and nuclear 
 blackmail remain real, and because I am convinced that negotiations 
 from weakness, grand bargains, and unilateral retreats are powerless to 
 defuse these threats. In short, I am a gloomy hawk because I believe 
 that neither hawks nor doves have any viable near-term solutions to the 
 problem we now face.
 
 Technology
 Globalization, economic advance, and technology are at the root of our 
 dilemma. It is remarkable that 9/11 meant more civilian casualties from 
 a foreign foe than this country had ever experienced at a blow. Without 
 the movement of Middle Easterners to Europe (to learn our languages, 
 take our classes, etc.), without our modern mastery of building 
 technology and air travel, 9/11 could not have happened. Recall that 
 the plan of the first, failed blast in 1993 was to topple one World 
 Trade Center tower into the other, bringing both down on surrounding 
 buildings for a possible total of 200,000 dead. This was the 
 approximate combined total of dead at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The 1993 
 terrorists were consciously focused on that precedent, wanting to 
 inflict nuclear-level damage on the United States.
 
 The destruction of the World Trade Center raised the possibility that a 
 rogue state might supply terrorists with a nuclear bomb, or enough 
 material to make such a bomb. Already, there was an alliance between a 
 state (Afghanistan) and a terrorist organization. But in the war 
 between Israel and Hezbollah, we've seen a further step toward the 
 feared pattern. Hezbollah rockets have already inflicted far more 
 damage and disruption on Israeli civilians than attacks in any previous 
 Middle Eastern war. That is because military technology is getting ever 
 cheaper, more advanced, and more available, and because of a military 
 alliance between a supplying state (Iran) and a terrorist organization.
 
 So we are already seeing a terrorist-executed proxy war against the 
 West using advanced technology supplied by a rogue state. It only 
 remains for a nuclear device to replace the cheap rockets. Iran is 
 working on that. This is why Europe, led by France, is moving into the 
 American corner. The internal Islamist terror Europe had hoped to avoid 
 by distancing itself from the United States is happening anyway. And 
 Europe fears that a terrorist-supplied Iranian bomb, a nuclear-armed 
 Iranian missile, or an Iranian attempt to corner the world's oil supply 
 through nuclear blackmail, pose direct threats to the continent itself.
 
 Iraq
 Our attack on Saddam was the easiest way to create a credible threat of 
 force against Iran and North Korea, while also cutting out Saddam's own 
 capacity to build or buy (from Korea and/or the A.Q. Kahn network) his 
 own nuclear weapons. For this reason, it needed doing. Given the 
 immense dangers faced by the West, and compared to our sacrifices in 
 World War II and Korea, 3,000 casualties is not an excessive cost 
 (tragic as these losses are). Yet our domestic divisions, and our 
 inability to pacify Iraq have largely (although not, I believe, 
 entirely) canceled out the deterrent message of the invasion.
 
 Without a credible threat of force (and maybe even with a credible 
 threat), there is simply no way that negotiations, "grand bargains," or 
 unilateral withdrawals will accomplish anything. Israel had about as 
 credible a threat as anyone could. Given its foes' rejection of a 
 reasonable American-brokered deal, Israel tried unilateral withdrawal 
 instead. Now look what's happened. The depth of the Moslem world's 
 failure to adjust to modernity, the profundity of its need for 
 scapegoats, the seeming boundlessness of its willingness to accept the 
 death and destruction of its own in exchange for the "honor" 
 of "revenge," are difficult for Americans to acknowledge. Read " A 
 Middle Way" (by David Warren in the Ottawa Citizen) and you will see 
 that the Western public is systematically sheltered from the sort of 
 news that turns people into gloomy hawks.
 
 Wishful Thinking
 At Newsday, typically dovish Middle East Studies professor Fawaz Gerges 
 says, "Hezbollah has risen to fill a social need." I find Gerges's 
 vision of a solution in the Middle East utterly naive. He pretends that 
 Hezbollah is not standing as a proxy for Iran, and acts as though a 
 little bit of forceful negotiating can prod Hezbollah into disarming, 
 and Israel and its Arab foes into a comprehensive settlement. But 
 Israel has already made the sort of gestures that ought to have created 
 momentum for peace. Instead, it's gotten more attacks, and the 
 persistent calls for its destruction so chillingly described by David 
 Warren.
 
 On one critical point, however, Gerges is right. If liberals are lost 
 in wishful thinking about the prospects of negotiated settlements and 
 nuclear containment, conservatives are naive about the possibility of 
 ending terror by a decisive military blow. Gerges is right that 
 Hezbollah is not some finite terror force, but the expression of the 
 will and aspirations of a massive portion of the Lebanese people. As 
 such, it is unlikely to be bombed out of existence.
 
 Gerges makes the doves' favorite point: bombing and war only breed more 
 terrorists. True enough, but only because the underlying cultural 
 dilemma of Muslim modernity has created a need for scapegoats. War 
 ought to produce the realization that peaceful compromise is the way 
 out. Instead it produces the opposite. Gestures for peace fare no 
 better. Withdraw or attack, the results are the same: more hatred, more 
 terror, more war. Compromise and settlement have been ruled out from 
 the start by a pervasive ideology, an ideology that is a product of the 
 underlying inability to reconcile Islam with modernity.
 
 New Israel
 This means that the entire Western world now stands in a position 
 roughly analogous to that of Israel: locked in an essentially permanent 
 struggle with a foe it is impossible either to placate, or to entirely 
 destroy   a foe who demands our own destruction, and whose problems are 
 so deep they would not be solved even by victory.
 
 We can leave Iraq, as the Israelis left Lebanon. But we'll likely be 
 back, there or somewhere else, before long. Some say our army should 
 wait among the Kurds, striking selectively in the rest of Iraq, only 
 when al Qaeda returns. That's a plan. Yet its likely to end up where 
 Israel is in Lebanon, especially if al Qaeda starts kidnapping American 
 soldiers with cross-border raids into the "Kurdish entity."
 
 Meanwhile, short of a preemptive war, Iran is bound to get the bomb. No 
 grand bargain or set of economic sanctions can deter it   especially now 
 that Iran is convinced of its success in creating havoc for the West, 
 and in consolidating popular support through its proxy attacks on 
 Western interests. As Ian Bremmer reports in "What the Israeli-
 Hezbollah War Means for Iran," 
 
 Iran is convinced it's winning, while America and Europe are 
 increasingly convinced that a nuclear-armed Iran would be an 
 intolerable danger to their interests. "Imagine...how much more 
 dangerous the war in Lebanon would be if Iran had a nuclear weapon."
 
 Collision Course
 The West is on a collision course with Iran. There will either be a 
 preemptive war against Iran's nuclear program, or an endless series of 
 hot-and-cold war crises following Iran's acquisition of a bomb. And an 
 Iranian bomb means further nuclear proliferation to Egypt and Saudi 
 Arabia, as a balancing move by the big Sunni states. With all those 
 Islamic bombs floating around, what are the chances the U.S. will avoid 
 a nuclear terrorist strike over the long-term?
 
 You don't believe that dovishness and negotiations will fail? Just wait 
 till President Hillary tries to buy off the Iranians with a "grand 
 bargain." Just wait till a nuclear Iran is unleashed to make further 
 mischief. A seemingly futile and endless occupation of Lebanon once 
 split Israel down the middle, breeding an entire generation of Israeli 
 doves. Now Israel is a united nation of gloomy hawks, transformed by 
 the repeated failure of every gesture of peace, and by the reality of 
 their implacable foe. (See " Praying for Hummus, Getting Hamas.") I'm 
 betting that someday we'll all be gloomy hawks, too. As for me, I'm 
 already there.
 
 [Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy 
 Center.]
 
 END OF BLOG
 Those of you that took the time to read this far, thanks.  
 revmaaatin.