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Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:52 pm**

I wrote this an hour or so ago and it didn't show. I seem to not be able to reply even when I make sure the message is checked to go to the group? But I can post new - strange!?? Anyway, what I wrote is I changed the oil yesterday with one of the new washers. I had a leak but I suspected it was from re-using my Al crush washer. The new washer at over 24 hours and a 20 mile run is holding with no leak. But a traditional metal crush washer would probably have sealed just as well. However, I really like these Napa plastic washers, they give a better feel when tightening and deforming to the metal drain bolt and crankcase over a traditional metal crush washer that should help prevent both over tightening as well as possibly reducing the potential for vibration loosening? I'm very pleased with them - thanks for the heads up on these Jeff! Doug

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:15 am**

sd_ware wrote: they give a better feel when tightening and deforming to the metal drain bolt and crankcase over a traditional metal crush washer that should help prevent both over tightening as well as possibly reducing the potential for vibration loosening? I'm very pleased with them - thanks for the heads up on these Jeff! Doug I'm slow ... can you or Jeff or anyone explain what difference it makes (metal vs plastic) when using a torque wrench? Set at 16.5 foot pounds. TIA WVDoran Scottsdale, AZ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:50 am**

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) "W.V. Doran" writes:

> sd_ware wrote: > they give a better feel when tightening and deforming to the > metal drain bolt and crankcase over a traditional metal crush washer > > that should help prevent both over tightening as well as possibly > reducing the potential for vibration loosening? > I'm very pleased with them - thanks for the heads up on these Jeff! > Doug > > I'm slow ... can you or Jeff or anyone explain what difference it > makes (metal vs plastic) when using a torque wrench? Set at 16.5 > foot pounds. > TIA

################################ %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% W.V., Torque is torque so it doesn't matter at all. But my experience is most folks either don't have or use a torque wrench when tightening an oil drain plug. The soft washer just seems to make it easier for those who are a bit ham fisted in this area or have an old aluminum crush washer they aren't replacing. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:26 am**

"I'm slow ... can you or Jeff or anyone explain what difference it makes (metal vs plastic) when using a torque wrench? Set at 16.5 foot pounds. TIA" Well, if you're using a torque wrench - nothing, and that would be the best method of doing it. However, my torque is pretty much at the very bottom at 16ft-lbs. I don't trust it at that setting. It would be better to use my 1/4" torque and convert to in-lbs but no one makes a 17mm 1/4" socket. I use the lower handle part of a 3/8" ratchet to try and reduce leveraging effect. My unqualified torquing measure is by feel. I go to where it starts to feel snug and then add a bit. With the plastic washer, there is MUCH MORE feedback from the plastic deformation versus the metal washer when snugging that should help prevent overtightning. Hmmm, you know this discussion has me pondering about getting a cheap 17mm socket and looking at having a friend help weld a mod to fit it to a 1/4" ratchet but the upper end of my 1/4" torque is 200 in-lbs which is pretty much where 16 ft-lbs is (192in-lbs). So that doesn't work either. Doug

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:34 pm**

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:53:17 -0000 "sd_ware" writes: SNIP It would be

> > better to use my 1/4" torque and convert to in-lbs but no one makes > a > 17mm 1/4" socket.

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> > Hmmm, you know this discussion has me pondering about getting a > cheap > 17mm socket and looking at having a friend help weld a mod to fit it > to > a 1/4" ratchet but the upper end of my 1/4" torque is 200 in-lbs > which > is pretty much where 16 ft-lbs is (192in-lbs). So that doesn't work > > either. > > Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

.......,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,,............,,,,,,,,,,........ Doug, It might be easier and more useful to get a 1/4 to 3/8 adapter. Or is that a 3/8 to 1/4 adapter? : ) Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:30 pm**

"Doug, It might be easier and more useful to get a 1/4 to 3/8 adapter. Or is that a 3/8 to 1/4 adapter? : ) Best, Jeff Saline" =========================== Jeff, Is there such an adapter? I know they make them stepping down in size but I don't think you can get one going up from a 1/4" ratchet to a 3/8" socket? I was interested in this but it looks like it wouldn't matter as the 16.5 ft-lbs converts to 198 in-lbs and as my 1/4" torque peaks at 200 in-lbs, it reverts back to the opposite problem with my 3/8" torque being on the extreme low side. It's a big circular problem :^) Doug

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:35 pm**

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:26:35 -0000 "sd_ware" writes:

> "Doug, > > It might be easier and more useful to get a 1/4 to 3/8 adapter. Or > is > that a 3/8 to 1/4 adapter? : ) > > Best, > > Jeff Saline" > =========================== > Jeff, > > Is there such an adapter? I know they make them stepping down in > size > but I don't think you can get one going up from a 1/4" ratchet to a > > 3/8" socket? > > I was interested in this but it looks like it wouldn't matter as the > > 16.5 ft-lbs converts to 198 in-lbs and as my 1/4" torque peaks at > 200 > in-lbs, it reverts back to the opposite problem with my 3/8" torque > > being on the extreme low side. It's a big circular problem :^) > > Doug

44444444444444444444444444444444 77777777777777777777777777777777 Doug, Yup, they do make such adapters. I had to be really careful when I bought torque wrenches just to avoid the issue you have. I ended up with 4 torque wrenches total. One though is a beam type that I've used for over 30 years. It only gets out on special occasions now. I suppose using the soft washer you now know why you are using a short grip on a 3/8 drive ratchet. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Posted: **Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:12 am**

Norm, I think the MORE important question is: how fast can YOU run...? Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Norm Keller wrote: > > Just a question on KLR etiquette: As I'm 5'8", I > wonder if it would be > impolite for me to tell a 6'7" acquaintance that he > looks silly on a KLR? > (VBG) > > Norm

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