Wilsons Sandbox

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Been a long time since I posted. I'm the creator of the ORIGINAL Duchin > Dash, dash board for the KLR 650. It has come to my attention that > KLR650.com has stolen my design. They didn't even bother to move the > mounting holes to hide their dirty work. I spent many hours working on a > variety of prototypes to come up with the final version. I am completely > and totally disgusted that they did this. I have never seen such a blatant > disregard for one's efforts. I thought this might happen eventually with an > overseas manufacturer but to be copied by someone right here in the USA > makes me sick! Even with a patent, it would cost me thousands of dollars to > go after these unscrupulous vendors. Thousands I don't have. > > It migth be slander to ask that you not deal with such a backstabbing > organisation as KLR650.com so I won't ask that. > > I do however request you purchase your dash boards directly from myself, > Fred at Arrowhead Motorsports or Whitehorse Press. > > Thanks to everyone who supported me when I first made this and continued > good fortune with your KLRs. > > Regards to all, > Jay Duchin > Creator of the ORIGINAL KLR 650 DUCHIN DASH. >

> Hi Jay, > > I have no idea what you're talking about...I've never heard of a Duchin > Dash. I know no-one who's ever heard of a Duchin Dash.

> > Perhaps people that have in fact actually heard of the Duchin Dash, and have > apparently conspired to screw you in some way or another, have reaped some > benefit from what is, apparently, your exclusive design...while not > specifically intending to screw you.

> > What we do here on this list is exchange information, so that all may > benefit from one another's experience. > > It would appear that you are in dire need of other interests. >

> From: "Scott Critchfield" > Subject: RE: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!! > > Hi Jay, > > I have no idea what you're talking about...I've never heard of a Duchin > Dash. I know no-one who's ever heard of a Duchin Dash. I have never, in 35 > years of off-road racing and recreational participation, heard a single > discussion based upon a Duchin Dash. I have many friends...in many > circles - desert racing, motocross, enduro, and dual-sport. We've all > survived all these years without a Duchin Dash.

On 11/17/05, Chris Krok wrote: > > > > From: "Scott Critchfield" > > Subject: RE: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!! > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > I have no idea what you're talking about...I've never heard of a Duchin > > Dash. I know no-one who's ever heard of a Duchin Dash. I have never, in > 35 > > years of off-road racing and recreational participation, heard a single > > discussion based upon a Duchin Dash. I have many friends...in many > > circles - desert racing, motocross, enduro, and dual-sport. We've all > > survived all these years without a Duchin Dash. > > Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your Post-Toasties? Jay has been > a worthwhile and respectable member of this group for a long time. For > longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of knock-off products, > in fact. I know that Conall will say otherwise, but what KLR650.com > does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise. They do NOT say, > "there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc., but I can make a > better one." They simply make direct knockoffs. > > In fact, looking at their page for the dashboard, they state, "Made by > Studebaker Mfg. Inc. Manufacture of O.E.M. Parts (So you have a good > fitting OEM part and not a cheap Aftermarket part)." News flash, guys: > If it doesn't come from Kawi, it's aftermarket. > > Jay is within his rights to be angry that something posted here wound up > making a profit for someone else. If you're not aware of the list > policy, vendors are allowed to advertise their wares here on Fridays. > Both Jay and I understand that, if someone sees one of our products, > they may decide to build one for themselves rather than buy ours. Hell, > I do the same thing. However, when someone takes a product that we are > selling and sells a duplicate with no permission, licensing, etc., > that's b.s. > > That Constitutional protection is great, but like Jay said, you have to > spend the $$ (and time) on a lawyer to benefit from it. Jay and I only > run our businesses part-time (at least, I think that's Jay's situation), > and what little profits we make would be tapped out quickly. I run my > business because it's occasionally fun, and to make a few extra $$ to > spend on my KLR. Frankly, I'm looking forward to the day when I make > enough money at my day job to say the hell with it. > > Jay: Sorry to hear about that. I'm waiting for my number to come up > there as well. If it happens to enough of us, perhaps we'll have enough > resources to fight it. > > Krokko > > > > -- > Dr. J. Christopher Krok > Explosion Dynamics Laboratory > John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel > Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125 > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.comhttp://www.dualsportnews.com> > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.htmlhttp://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html> > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>From: Chris Krok >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] RE: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!! >Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:12:43 -0800 > > > > From: "Scott Critchfield" > > Subject: RE: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!! > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > I have no idea what you're talking about...I've never heard of a Duchin > > Dash. I know no-one who's ever heard of a Duchin Dash. I have never, >in 35 > > years of off-road racing and recreational participation, heard a single > > discussion based upon a Duchin Dash. I have many friends...in many > > circles - desert racing, motocross, enduro, and dual-sport. We've all > > survived all these years without a Duchin Dash. > >Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your Post-Toasties? Jay has been >a worthwhile and respectable member of this group for a long time. For >longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of knock-off products, >in fact. I know that Conall will say otherwise, but what KLR650.com >does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise. They do NOT say, >"there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc., but I can make a >better one." They simply make direct knockoffs. > >In fact, looking at their page for the dashboard, they state, "Made by >Studebaker Mfg. Inc. Manufacture of O.E.M. Parts (So you have a good >fitting OEM part and not a cheap Aftermarket part)." News flash, guys: >If it doesn't come from Kawi, it's aftermarket. > >Jay is within his rights to be angry that something posted here wound up >making a profit for someone else. If you're not aware of the list >policy, vendors are allowed to advertise their wares here on Fridays. >Both Jay and I understand that, if someone sees one of our products, >they may decide to build one for themselves rather than buy ours. Hell, >I do the same thing. However, when someone takes a product that we are >selling and sells a duplicate with no permission, licensing, etc., >that's b.s. > >That Constitutional protection is great, but like Jay said, you have to >spend the $$ (and time) on a lawyer to benefit from it. Jay and I only >run our businesses part-time (at least, I think that's Jay's situation), >and what little profits we make would be tapped out quickly. I run my >business because it's occasionally fun, and to make a few extra $$ to >spend on my KLR. Frankly, I'm looking forward to the day when I make >enough money at my day job to say the hell with it. > >Jay: Sorry to hear about that. I'm waiting for my number to come up >there as well. If it happens to enough of us, perhaps we'll have enough >resources to fight it. > >Krokko > > > >-- >Dr. J. Christopher Krok >Explosion Dynamics Laboratory >John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel >Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125 > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your Post-Toasties? Jay has been > a worthwhile and respectable member of this group for a long time. For > longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of knock-off

> in fact. I know that Conall will say otherwise, but what KLR650.com > does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise. They do NOT say, > "there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc., but I can make a > better one." They simply make direct knockoffs. >

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Conall" wrote: > > > > > Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your Post-Toasties? Jay has been > > a worthwhile and respectable member of this group for a long time. For > > longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of knock-off > products, > > in fact. I know that Conall will say otherwise, but what KLR650.com > > does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise. They do NOT say, > > "there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc., but I can make a > > better one." They simply make direct knockoffs. > > > > i don't like this type of dealings either so to speak. I've been on > this list a long time and could argue either side of this argument. I > have the right to change my mind if I want to but I don't like the > tone of this so I'm going defensive and now that I've been dragged > into the fray, I'm going to respond. > > Quite simply,any company that wants to set itself apart from the rest > of the market needs to consider intellectual-property protection. > I don't believe any patents are pending on any of the products reverse > engineered (copied) by Studebaker, correct me if I'm wrong. > > You could take 5 yrs to develop something, if you don't get patent or > copyright protection someone can knock it off overnight. > Legal protection of the property is key to securing licensing deals > and venture capital. > If the parties who feel they have been infringed had a patent or > copyright a simple letter to MASH could possibly resolve things short > of filing a lawsuit. > > > Conall- >