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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Crandell"  wrote:
 
 > 
 > You bring up an interesting question:  Has anyone built their own 
 > seat?  If so, what works and what doesn't?  I saw Dr. Gregory's 
 > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't 
  
I 
 
 > do something like that?"  I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and 
 > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring 
 > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved.  Can I just find 
 > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover??
 > 
 > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long..
 > 
 > Ron in MN
 
 
  
I JUST got done doing this to my seat, but have been waiting to ride 
 it up to Oregon for a full report on how comfortable it is.  As a 
 matter of fact, I pick it up in a couple of hours.  But here is what 
 I have learned thus far.
 
 My first idea was to go the cheaper and better way (if you ask me) 
 and just MAKE my own damn seat.  I wanted the same stock shape, with 
 a few mods.  I wanted it a bit taller in front, where you sit most of 
 the time, I wanted it a bit wider, just a touch as to not mess up the 
 off road narrowness of the stocker, and I wanted it firmer for sure.  
 The seat, on long trips, is the ONLY thing holding me back from doing 
 longer days.  The best that I have done was 800 miles, and that was 
 after riding for 600-700 miles the last 3 days prior.  My arse just 
 could not go on anymore.
 
 So what I did was study foams online, and decided to settle on some 
 expensive "memory" foam that is used in pilots seats, hospitable 
 beds, wheelchairs and the like.  Using the info from Eldon's sight 
 and others, where they talked about using triple density foam, (three 
 seperate layers, three different foam density's) I spent $45 on a 
 bunch of great foam...........I thought, and $25 on a square yard of 
 really nice new marine grade vinyl.  I took my old vinyl off, bought 
 a $12 electric knife, cut down my stock foam to within a 1/4 inch of 
 the seat pan, and then got frustrated with all the many little 
 details of how to cut, mold, glue, and build up my new seat.  So I 
 took the seat and new foam and new vinyl to a local upholsterer 
 that's been doing this stuff for decades, dropped it off, and 
 explained what I wanted.
 
 A few days later when I called him to see how it was going, he said 
 that a customer happened to come buy to drop off a bunch of KTM seats 
 to be covered.  This guy just by chance is in the business of having 
 guys send him dozens and dozens of seats every month to his house 
 where he completely tears them down and rebuilds them for about 
 $400.  He just does the hard part and then brings the seats to the 
 upholsterer to have him cover and staple them.  He is a perfectionist 
 like me and does very nice custom work.  Anyway, he saw my seat 
 sitting there, and the foam that I had selected, and told the owner 
 of the shop to have me call him.  He knew what I wanted, and knew 
 that the foam that I bought would not work, and wanted to save me a 
 headache dealing with it. (he said that the foam although really nice 
 at first, would compress down till very hard and would feel like the 
 pan again after many miles)
 
 I called this guy and talked to him for an hour on the phone, then 
 went to his house for another hour and talked about nothing but bike 
 seats.  I let him take over the job of my seat, explained what I 
 wanted and basically let him just make the decisions of what to do.  
 He put in some new foam, not much firmer than stock, (I don't know 
 why) then a really nice and expensive gel pad, then covered it all up 
 with a layer of neoprene, then my new purple marine grade vinyl.  The 
 cost was another $300. (he cut me some slack)
 
 I got the seat back and tested it on the ESR II trip which was about 
 500 miles of highway riding and about 100 off-road miles.  It was 
 better, but only by about 5%.  I wasn't impressed.
 
 He said at the very beginning of this project that we may have to do 
 this a few times to get it perfect and that he didn't mind spending 
 the extra time to do so.  We figured that others could benifit from 
 the formula later.  I gave him the seat back and months later, after 
 my hand surgery's, his knee surgery, my vasectomy, and blah blah 
 blah, I finally needed to get my seat back for my 6 week Oregon trip 
 that I am leaving for on Saturday.
 
 Now during all of this off time, I got to thinking about what I 
 really needed and wanted in a seat.  I realized that as long as I was 
 around my neck-o-the-woods, which is the majority of my riding, and 
 off-road riding too, around here or not, that the stock seat for the 
 most part was just fine for me.  It was just too soft.  I also 
 realized that for long hauls or big mileage days, which I seem to be 
 addicted too at times, that the stock seat was a big let down.  
 During high mile days, I wouldn't mind the stock seat being taller, 
 wider, and more comfortable, both firm and plush.  I realized the 
 pluses of having 2 seats to switch back and forth from like Pat does, 
 but I didn't want to do that.  For the ultimate, I wanted 2 different 
 seats, and I wanted them both with me at all times.  So how do I do 
 that?
 
 What I decided to do was to have my seat built up to what I 
 originally wanted, but with the right foam, and no gel.  I stopped by 
 the guys house last week just to see how it was going, and he ended 
 up building my seat while I was there, and I got to ride his KTM 640 
 too.  He built up my seat with a thick layer of very firm foam ontop 
 of the thin layer of stock foam that I had left on it to keep the 
 holes, valleys, and voids of the seat pan filled.  Ontop of that he 
 put two layers of softer foam to build height mainly in the area that 
 comes up to the tank, and then trimmed and shaped it to the same 
 basic stock seat demensions that I had with me on the bike.  Then he 
 wrapped one big piece of foam that was even softer over the whole 
 thing.  He then just placed a big piece of neoprene over the seat, 
 then a piece of vinyl, and we put the seat on my bike so that I could 
 sit on it and see how it felt.  I had him do this and that, making 
 little adjustments here and there till we had what I originally 
 wanted.  It felt sweet.  It was just a tad taller only in the area 
 where you sit mostly, just a tad wider there too, and much firmer.  
 The rest of the seat looks basically stock, like the rear meeting up 
 with the rack, and the horn in the front that meets the tank.  The 
 edges are even pretty close to stock too which I like, getting wider 
 as your go back on the seat.
 
 For the highway, I also purchased a super sweet deluxe piece of 
 sheepskin from Alaska Leathers that covers the whole horn on the 
 front of the seat, and goes back to within 1 or 2 inches of the rear 
 of the seat.  This cover once mounted on in a few seconds, will make 
 the seat even taller, and wider, super plush, while being warmer in 
 the winter and cooler in the summer.  When I get to where I am going 
 on the highway, I will just pop off the sheepskin and use my revamped 
 seat that is under the sheepskin.  Presto chango, I now have 2 seats 
 that I can carry with me, and I also now have the softest pillow for 
 when I'm camping too.
 
 I'll keep you all updated on how it goes during my trip.
 
 MrMoose
 A8 (Barbie and Ken special)