> -----Original Message----- > From: james [mailto:yj110495@...] > > I had a Dodge Omni 1981 that had a VW 1.8 and a 5 speed in it. > Ran terrific.
> What is the oddest combination you have seen/owned/heard of?
> -----Original Message----- > From: james [mailto:yj110495@...] > > I had a Dodge Omni 1981 that had a VW 1.8 and a 5 speed in it. > Ran terrific.
> What is the oddest combination you have seen/owned/heard of?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:45:55 -0400, John Kokola wrote: > > That Omni is right up there, to be honest. > > > > --John Kokola > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: james [mailto:yj110495@...] > > > > I had a Dodge Omni 1981 that had a VW 1.8 and a 5 speed in it. > > Ran terrific. > > > > > What is the oddest combination you have seen/owned/heard of? > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
----- Original Message ----- From: "Guillaume McDowell" To: "John Kokola" Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: nklr Kawasaki KLV1000 > > I thought it was standard procedure for Chrysler to use VW trannies in > its manual transmission cars. That must be why they are so free of > the problems that plague their automatics. I suspect the neon has a > VW 5 speed. > -GFM > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:45:55 -0400, John Kokola wrote: > > > > That Omni is right up there, to be honest. > > > > > > > > --John Kokola > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: james [mailto:yj110495@...] > > > > > > I had a Dodge Omni 1981 that had a VW 1.8 and a 5 speed in it. > > > Ran terrific. > > > > > > > > > What is the oddest combination you have seen/owned/heard of? > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "james" wrote: > I had a Dodge Omni 1981 that had a VW 1.8 and a 5 speed in it. Ran terrific. > Unibody rusted away. My brother had a Dodge Caravan that had the Mitsubishi > 2.6. Got it for 5.00 at a dealership that had one of those tag sales. If you > picked the right tag, you got a car for 5.00!. The carbs in those though > were junk. > What is the oddest combination you have seen/owned/heard of? > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric L. Green" > To: "Randy Shultz" > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: nklr Kawasaki KLV1000 > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Randy Shultz wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. Green" > > > wrote: > > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, BEN wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, it is a bizarre agreement. I think that only two Japanese > > > motorcycle > > > > companies under pressure from the Japanese government to remain > > > solvent > > > > could have entered into such an agreement, which appears to be > > > > > Joint agreements like this aren't bizarre at all. American car > > > companies do this with foreign companies fairly regularly. When you > > > > Not exactly. I've never seen two American auto companies enter into a > > marketing agreement like this. I don't think it'd be possible even if we > > were in the situation where we were in the mid 1970's, where there were > > four American car companies (AMC, Chrysler, GM, Ford). If, say, AMC and > > Chrysler (the two weakest car companies at the time) had entered into a > > joint development agreement where, say, Chrysler provided their car and > > truck products to AMC in exchange for AMC allowing them to market Jeep > > products rebadged as Dodge products, you would have heard screaming from > > the lawyers from the other two car companies almost immediately about > > "anti-competitive activities" and "anti-trust" and what have you. > > > > Where American companies DO make such deals with foreign car companies, it > > is generally in exchange for an ownership share. For example, General > > Motors owns Volvo and owns a sizable portion of Subaru (Fuji Heavy > > Industries, rather). So they have no problem doing cross marketing there, > > selling rebadged Subarus as Volvos, etc. General Motors sold rebadged > > Toyota Corollas for many years as the Geo/Chevy Prizm, but that was in > > exchange for ownership share in Toyota's Fremont auto plant (which had > > been a GM auto plant that was being closed, but which was essentially sold > > to Toyota for producing the Corolla) so that GM could steal Toyota's > > production technologies legally. Similarly, GM markets some Suzuki > > automotive products, but they also have a sizable ownership stake in > > Suzuki. Similarly, Chrysler in the past marketed a number of Mitsubishi > > products, but in turn had an ownership share in Mitsubishi. (This > > relationship seems to have fallen onto hard times since the Germans took > > over Chrysler, though... the Germans seem even more resistant to joint > > ventures than the Americans, though Porsche and VW have had some joint > > ventures in the past, such as the 914 being powered by a VW motor, and of > > course the joint Porsche/VW SUV). > > > > A straight rebadging agreement like the one between Kawasaki and Suzuki, > > without any kind of ownership share... the only similar agreement I can > > think of in recent times is the one between Porsche and VW for their SUV, > > and that's limited to a single product with no guarantee of any future > > cooperation. I truly believe that, from a cultural point of view if not > > from a legal point of view, the Kawasaki/Suzuki relationship is uniquely > > Japanese, and could not recur anywhere else. > > > > Finally, regarding Kawasaki's other businesses: They would not have > > stopped Kawasaki from shutting down its motorcycle division if sales had > > continued to sag, any more than Fuji Heavy Industry's other businesses > > would have stopped them from shutting down the Subaru car business if > > sales had continued to sag. The Japanese government set up a joint > > agreement between Subaru and Nissan whereby Subaru could dip into the > > Nissan parts bin (the mirrors on a Subaru I owned in the late 90's was > > made by Nissan -- said so on the bottom -- and undoubtedly other parts > > were also), then set up the agreement with GM to gain access to the GM > > parts bin as well as investment by GM to solve their cash flow problems. > > Add in some quirky ads starring Paul Hogan and Martina Navaratalova, and > > you end up with a resurgence in sales and rebadged Subarus being sold as > > Volvos. The Japanese government is reluctant to let *any* industrial > > subsidiaries fail, no matter how small a part of the parent company's > > business, and the Kawasaki/Suzuki deal bears all the handprints of > > Japanese governmental interference -- especially when you consider that > > for a while Suzuki was seriously thinking about getting out of the > > motorcycle business to concentrate on cars. > > > > -E > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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