seat belts nklr #2 - now w/ au input
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:26 am
Are you in the USA - the land of socialist vote buying??? Or, are you in
Australia?
Mike Torst
A16
Las Vegas
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From: john@... [mailto:john@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:20 PM
To: lasvegasrider@...; ericnospam@...
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Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: Seat belts NKLR #2
Wow some of these comments really blow me away . Maybe it's
Oz's much smaller population or the fact that NO ONE carries guns ( except a
small portion of the criminal element ( Lebs and Asians ) )
I feel safe going anywhere anytime day or night .
I wonder is all your fear/caution/paranoia worth your
constitutional right to bear arms .
Sure bad people will always be able to get guns, bombs,
knifes etc However when every Tom , Dick and Harriet owns and carries guns a
normally well adjusted person having a fuse blow in their brain suddenly
becomes a walking killing machine.
Take road rage for instance. Here you might get a thump on
the nose if you accidentally piss someone off , but you don't have to worry
about being shot.
You have a great nation , the biggest and best of everything
. I loved visiting . But I'm happy down here in the ass end of the world
where people don't carry guns.
Kind regards ( ducking laser sights )
John
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From: mike torst
[SMTP:lasvegasrider@...]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:38 PM
To: 'Eric Lee Green'
Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: Seat
belts NKLR #2
Only once so far- Lake Mead Drive near I-15-
November 2003. He was also
armed. I trained the laser on him as I rapidly
drove away. I figured that
he was to shocked in seeing a white-boy defend his
ride to do anything but
freeze. I expect that red laser light from my 40
semi-auto was key in my
passing from that shitty moment.
Perhaps you do not offer something of value in your
economically challenged
areas to warrant aggression...
Mike Torst
Las Vegas
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Lee Green [mailto:ericnospam@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:30 PM
To: mike torst
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Seat belts NKLR #2
mike torst wrote:
out w/o being strapped in.>Agreed - It is easier to get my S&W .40 semi-auto
economically challenged areas.>I always unbuckle when I travel through
Just out of curiousity, have you ever needed to pull out the S&W? Just curious, because I've travelled through numerous "economically challenged areas" (hell, I taught school for a year in an inner city school in a neighborhood that was as "economically challenged" as you can get) and never had anybody bother me. I've walked door to door doing census in an "economically challenged" area, and the worst that's happened to me is that a suspicious woman refused to talk to me because she was afraid I was going to report her to immigration or something. (Of course, that was in one of the "economically challenged" areas that I taught in, so many of the people already knew who I was, but ...). Granted, I drive non-descript vehicles, not a Beemer or Mercedes (who the hell wants to car-jack a 1981 Chevette? A 1995 Ford Aspire? A 2002 Chevy S-10 in glorious turd-brown color, last washed when it drove off the dealer lot and with one bumper all dented out of shape?). Still, I've never once had a situation where I wished I was armed. If I had a gun, I'd be more afraid of being shot by a cop during a traffic stop than of anything that criminals might do. After all, cops have a get-out-of-jail-free card to play if you have a gun ("I saw he had a gun, I felt my life was threatened, I shot him" -- instant get-out-of-jail-free card for a cop). I've been stopped by traffic cops perhaps a dozen times in my life. I've never been stopped by a carjacker or anybody else who wished me harm. When dealing with thugs with guns who are trained in how to use them and have the power of the State (the world's largest organized crime ring) behind them, it is unwise to appear threatening in any way -- I treat them the same way I treated the dude who ran the crack house in one neighborhood I taught in, i.e., with the utmost politeness and respect. (And, strangely, get the same response back from them, gosh who woulda thunk it?!). Nowdays I live around the corner from a homeless shelter for families and a few blocks from a Hispanic neighborhood with a lot of young teenage males. Especially on hot nights, there's a bunch of stereotypically "thuggish" looking youths hangin' on the streetcorners. I generally take a stroll around the block (about a mile) around 9pm, after it's gotten dark, to settle my supper and get a bit of much-needed exercise. They utterly ignore me, except for the occasional dude who nods my direction (I nod back). Are they just picking up on my super-coolness? My dangerous lookin' nature? Not likely, given that I'm a nerdy white guy with glasses! Seems more likely to me that danger lurks in the imaginations of those who cower, rather than in reality. Reality says that violent crime has been decreasing for over a decade, and is now at a level on a per-capita basis similar to that of 1970, where, as a nerdy little white kid in a neighborhood that was starting to get run-down, my parents had no problem shipping my six-year-old self the two blocks to the public pool by myself or turning me out the door to play in the neighborhood by myself. While I don't recommend walking up to a crack house and knocking on the door (yes, I've done that as part of my job, no, I wasn't armed with anything other than a note for the parent of one of my students, and no, I don't think I'll do it again, even though my conversation with the inhabitants was quite polite and pleasant), I'm starting to think that we've become a nation of cowards willing to sell our freedom to whoever promises us safety, rather than the land of the free and home of the brave. -E List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________________________________ THIS E-MAIL AND ANY ATTACHMENT(S) TRANSMITTED WITH IT MAY BE CONFIDENTIAL. YOU MAY NOT DISCLOSE, RE-TRANSMIT, COPY, DISTRIBUTE, OR ACT IN RELIANCE ON THE INFORMATION UNLESS YOU ARE SO AUTHORISED. YOKOHAMA TYRE AUSTRALIA PTY. LIMITED DOES NOT REPRESENT, WARRANT OR GUARANTEE THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN MAINTAINED NOR THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS FREE OF VIRUSES OR ERRORS. IF YOU RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY postmaster@.... ________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links> >