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				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:30 pm
				by WILLAM GILMORE
				Another newby question -- what's the biggest downside for soft versus hard saddlebags. 
  
 Also, I'm close to ordering the Wolfman Alpha with the duffle, along with the explorer tank bag. 
  
 Any advice or comments, please
 
 
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				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:30 pm
				by Chris
				That you can't really lock them and of course hard bags will be more
 weatherproof too.  There's something about a hard bag with a lock on
 it that will keep more of the honest, honest, compared to a bag with a
 zipper in plain sight.
 
 If I didn't need locking bags, that tailpack that Wolfman makes would
 have been hard to pass up.
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:20:08PM -0700, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:
 > Another newby question -- what's the biggest downside for soft versus hard saddlebags. 
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 > Also, I'm close to ordering the Wolfman Alpha with the duffle, along with the explorer tank bag. 
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 > Any advice or comments, please
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				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:05 pm
				by Douglas Dick
				I bought my A16 last year and used the Wolfman Explorer Tank Bag, A 100
 liter duffel bag on the back seat, and soft saddlebags on a MAC-D rack.
  This year I will be using GIVI E36 luggage in place of the soft saddlebags.
 
 The biggest reasons I went for the GIVIS is the lockable storage and
 waterproof storage. Also, if I get a new bike, I can transfer the luggage
 over, and just need a new rack.  The downside is the initial cost.  I also
 find that soft luggage hugs the bike closer, for slightly less wind
 resistance.  I found that my bike is working harder with the GIVI luggage
 and fuel economy was down about 12% compared with unloaded bike.  (On the
 other hand, I just had my valve adjusted back to loose side of tolerances,
 they were too tight, so this may have been affecting fuel economy)
 
 With soft saddlebags, I have to worry about support straps becoming undone,
 whereas hard luggage is much more secure.  Soft luggage is also more likely
 to shift to where exhaust can melt it.
 
 I prefer a big duffel bag on back for touring, because I can stuff more into
 it than a top box.  I usually put my tent, sleeping bag and cot, and then I
 have a backrest.
 
 The Wolfman Explorer is excellent.  It is a bit pricey, but worth every
 penny.  It comes with an optional raincover.  I only use this when I am not
 moving.  The bag does not get wet on the highway.  Hope this is useful.  If
 you have any specific questions please ask, but I am just leaving for the
 Lake of the Woods Tour with the Wolfshead Rider's Association, so I will be
 back in a week.
 
 Take care.
 
 
 
 Douglas Dick
 Winnipeg MB    mailto:ddick2@...
 
 KLR650 A16
 
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 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:20 PM
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 Subject: [DSN_klr650] soft versus hard case luggage
 
 Another newby question -- what's the biggest downside for soft versus hard
 saddlebags.
 
 Also, I'm close to ordering the Wolfman Alpha with the duffle, along with
 the explorer tank bag.
 
 Any advice or comments, please
 
 
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				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:32 pm
				by squasher_1
				--- In 
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, WILLAM GILMORE  
 wrote:
 
 > Another newby question -- what's the biggest downside for soft 
  
versus hard saddlebags. 
 
 >  
 > Also, I'm close to ordering the Wolfman Alpha with the duffle, 
  
along with the explorer tank bag. 
 
 >  
 > Any advice or comments, please
 > 
 > 
 
 
  
Hard bags can be left on the bike and wont get stolen. soft bags you 
 can take off when you dont want them. Hard bags are more durable. 
 soft bags will "give" if you hit something. on very rare situations, 
 soft bags (starps)can get caught in your chain or rear tire. So can 
 Bungee cords. not all sof bags are water proof. I use X-Large pistol 
 cases for hard bags because they are cheaper ($70 each). Hard bags 
 require a stiffer rack made for them
 
			 
			
					
				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:21 am
				by Eric Lee Green
				WILLAM GILMORE wrote:
 
 
 >Another newby question -- what's the biggest downside for soft versus hard saddlebags. 
 >  
 >
 
  
Security. Soft bags don't lock, hard bags do. Weather tightness. Hard 
 bags are generally waterproof, few soft bags are. Hard bags also are 
 typically more securely fastened to your motorcycle and easier to remove 
 and put on. My Givis come off with the twist of a key and push of a 
 button, and when they're "locked", are on about as firmly as you'd ever 
 want (i.e., they're never flapping in the wind like soft bags can).  And 
 finally, on the KLR, soft bags have a bad habit of pushing the side 
 cover into the exhaust  pipe and melting it. Hard bags mount on a rack 
 that holds the bag away from the exhaust pipe.
 
 Soft bags do have some advantages, though. They're lighter than hard 
 bags. They're easier to take off and sling over your shoulder.  And 
 they're typically easier to pack, because you can stuff them to whatever 
 shape your stuff is, rather than being forced to cram your stuff into 
 whatever shape the hard bag is in.
 
 
 >Also, I'm close to ordering the Wolfman Alpha with the duffle, along with the explorer tank bag.
 >  
 >
  
One thing I noticed about the Alpha is that it appears to keep the 
 weight fairly high compared to the way my Givis are mounted. This is 
 because it doesn't use a rack to keep the bags out of the exhaust 
 pipe/rear wheel.
 
 The Explorer is a good tank bag. Make sure you get the KLR harness. The 
 KLR harness works GREAT. I've thought of getting the Wolfman tank 
 paniers, which are enormous, but frankly between my Givi bags and the 
 Explorer tank bag, the Green Mule already has WAY too much storage space 
 for carrying stuff. I mean, c'mon, this setup will already swallow the 
 results of a typical supermarket shopping trip, what more could you want?!
 
 -E
 
			 
			
					
				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:51 am
				by squasher_1
				--- In 
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lee Green  
 wrote:
 
 
 > but frankly between my Givi bags and the 
 > Explorer tank bag, the Green Mule already has WAY too much storage 
  
space 
 
 > for carrying stuff.  
 > -E
 
 
 
  
thats almost like saying the KLR has too much fuel. 

 
			 
			
					
				soft versus hard case luggage
				Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:10 am
				by squasher_1
				--- In 
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lee Green  
 wrote:
 
 
 > but frankly between my Givi bags and the 
 > Explorer tank bag, the Green Mule already has WAY too much storage 
  
space 
 
 > for carrying stuff.  
 > -E
 
 
 
  
thats almost like saying the KLR has too much fuel. 

 
			 
			
					
				d-s ride, mendocino nat'l forest; moose, bill & james
				Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:20 am
				by monahanwb
				Took a great long dual sport ride today, on the KLR, with James on
 his KLR; we left Santa Rosa about nine, stopped at Glenn's TWT shack
 for a cuppa, then up and over Hopland Grade where I felt the new
 Karoos breaking in (they do take some break-in). Then it was through
 old Upper Lake and up Elk Mountain Road to meet our friend Moose at
 the Middle Creek Campground, he was camped there with his wife and
 kids. Moose was there with his friends from church, they all have
 dirtbikes. Moose has a real nice KLR - I know the guy who used to
 own it, in Elko. So I recognized the bike when I met Moose a couple
 of years ago, which really surprised him.
 
 The three of us wailed up Elk Mtn Rd (quite a road, for the
 uninitiated) to the top, where it changes to dirt, then we took M10
 down into the upper reaches of the south fk of the Eel. We crossed
 the river a couple of times, went for a swim, were given cold beers
 by some deer hunters, then we took off up M3 which goes around the
 north side of Snow Mtn. We climbed up and over so many ridges with
 awesome views in every direction. From the top of M3 we could peer
 down into the Central Valley, we were basically right about halfway
 between Stonyford and Elk Creek, but up at the top of the mountains.
 Weather was beautiful as were the wildflowers. Moose began to get
 all in a hurry to get to covelo and then back to his wife at their
 campsite, which precluded me from getting down to this little lake
 (Paskett Lake) which is near the top of the range there, surrounded
 by gorgeous alpine meadows, wildflowers and birds everywhere. I
 definitely was irked at not being able to check out this lake, but I
 can tell it is somewhere I want to camp for a night or two. There
 are a couple of really beautiful and isolated campgrounds there. It
 is lovely up there - right in our backyard. For those with maps,
 this is actually Mendocino Pass Road aka Alder Springs road, aka CA
 162, but it is all dirt in the stretch from the outskirts of covelo
 to where it comes out of the mountains over in Elk Creek, from where
 it heads to Willows and Thunderhill. Altitude is probably 6500 feet
 or so at the top.
 
 We absolutely flew down the 30 or so miles of dusty dirt road to
 where you meet the Eel, at the entrance to the Yolla Bolly. Moose
 turned off there on his way back from Covelo to take the dirt (M1)
 highway into Pillsbury then south to Middle Creek (just north of
 Upper Lake) Stopped for Mex food in Willits (Super Taco, it's pretty
 good, in the Ray's Food Place shopping center on the west side of the
 road), and then a determined blast home non-stop because my doggie
 told me if I failed to come home without dog food he would do
 something not so nice. I remembered the dog food. Altogether we
 roade about 100 miles of high quality dirt backroads, 100 miles of
 paved super-twisties, and 100 miles of 101. A good day.
 
 Salud,
 
 Bill